Stop saying that "facts and logic" are the only right ways to defeat an ideology. "Facts and logic" only work against people who agree.
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"Facts and logic" are all well and good if you're presenting a mathematical proof but if the listener refuses to accept a step, it ends.
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"Facts and logic" only work in an argument if everyone agrees on the base facts being brought in and the system of logic being used.
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Furthermore, "facts and logic" fail in sociological arguments because there are often no "factual, logical" reasons for things.
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There are no "facts and logic" to prove that Bob shouldn't kill Alice.
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No, you need ethical arguments for that. They should still be logical tho. 'Bob shouldn't kill Alice coz frogs are amphibians' won't work.
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