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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017

      Often people tell me I shld put aside my differences with some1 because we are on the same side & the smaller differences shld be tolerated

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017

      I absolutely agree with this in principle because I despise purism & you just can't get anywhere if you fragment over petty differences.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017

      However, often what underlies this is the perception of the person speaking that the differences are petty when to me, they're fundamental.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017

      By 'you're on the same side', they mean 'You both further my primary goal' but their primary goal may not be my primary goal.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017

      My primary goal is always Enlightenment liberalism w/ its emphasis on freedom, equal opportunities, individuality, science, reason &evidence

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017

      So, if someone else's is attacking the left, showing biological gender differences to exist, criticising religion, I may well be useful BUT

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017

      If we differ profoundly on those things that are most important to me, we are in fundamental opposition & likely to argue.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017

      I am forever disappointing radical feminists and fans of Jordan Peterson with this. We overlap on some things but fundamentally? No. Sorry.

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        2. Sᴛᴇᴠᴇɴ Wɪʟʟɪᴀᴍꜱᴏɴ‏ @scarce_sense 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I've not really understood the disagreement some seem to have with @jordanbpeterson

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @scarce_sense

          Same epistemological problem we have with PoMos. Denial of objective truth/knowledge which is obtained by evidence.

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        4. Sᴛᴇᴠᴇɴ Wɪʟʟɪᴀᴍꜱᴏɴ‏ @scarce_sense 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          OK? He seems to be on the other side of that equation... Do you have an example?

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @scarce_sense

          He believes things are true if they are useful. He's a pragmatist. If believing that 2+2=5 gave humans an advantage, it'd be true. egpic.twitter.com/UtMZLiQYkq

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        6. Sᴛᴇᴠᴇɴ Wɪʟʟɪᴀᴍꜱᴏɴ‏ @scarce_sense 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I think you'll find he's using a different definition of 'truth.' Metaphor or wisdom as opposed to hard facts.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @scarce_sense

          Yes, exactly. A subjective truth. Much like the PoMos. And he prioritises this & brings it into discussion of literal truth. Like Pomos.

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @scarce_sense

          eg, see Sokal & Bricmont criticising this idea. They're talking abt PoMos but they could just as easily be talking abt Petersonpic.twitter.com/uExswKHPUT

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        9. Sᴛᴇᴠᴇɴ Wɪʟʟɪᴀᴍꜱᴏɴ‏ @scarce_sense 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          This doesn't sound like him at all. Have you spoken to him?

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        2. Helen Wilson‏ @premodernism 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          He would just disagree with you about God. I tend to be more in his boat there as well. You certainly aren't disappointing me.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @premodernism

          :) I won't fall out with God-believers generally. But I do think it matters what is true & how we know what is true. A lot.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @premodernism

          And coz we differ profoundly there & I think it's essential to seeing & countering the problems with PoMo & he's hugely influential there...

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @premodernism

          I see his thinking as a problem. But I support him on free speech. We're not pursuing the same primary goals tho. Some secondary ones.

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        2. Helen Wilson‏ @premodernism 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          JP would agree with "Enlightenment liberalism w/ its emphasis on freedom, equal opportunities, individuality, science, reason &evidence" 1/2

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @premodernism

          No. He doesn't believe in objective knowledge and truth. He believes in subjective knowledge but judges truth on what makes us survive.pic.twitter.com/NNEt8ItB3t

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        4. Helen Wilson‏ @premodernism 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Ill give you that his definition is bad. He does believe in objective truth. As well as subjective truths that are better defined as wisdom.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @premodernism

          But not objective truth in the sense of truth that exists outside humanity & is true whether anyone believes it & is benefited by believing

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @premodernism

          If believing 2 + 2 = 5 helped humanity survive & procreate, he's say it was true rather than a false belief which benefited humanity.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @premodernism

          But I have argued too much about this & am sick of it. I don't disown anyone for finding worth in his ideas. I just disagree. :) Must sleep.

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        8. Helen Wilson‏ @premodernism 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          All I wanna say is that Sam Harris interview is his worst moment. He mostly just wants epistemological room for mushroom trips.

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        2. Fringe Moderate‏ @Redshirt71 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I don't agree with all of his views, but I think he presents a powerful & inspiring counter-narrative to postmodernism, hence his appeal

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @Redshirt71

          I do too but unfortunately, he's only opposing half of it coz the other half applies to him too. Makes it harder to counter.pic.twitter.com/XjwgfRiFMw

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