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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Martin O'Reilly‏ @oreil_m 18 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Metamagician

      Yes, I think that's the difference in a nutshell.

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    2. Martin O'Reilly‏ @oreil_m 18 Sep 2017
      Replying to @oreil_m @HPluckrose @Metamagician

      Opponents also seem to think that someone expressing a controversial view will likely cause others to believe that view and act on it.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
      Replying to @oreil_m @Metamagician

      I think it's coz they are pessimistic abt society & view things like racism & sexism as dominant discourses which construct social reality.

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    4. Martin O'Reilly‏ @oreil_m 18 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Metamagician

      So opponents think discourse largely constructs our society, while FS proponents think discourse is more a reflection of it

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
      Replying to @oreil_m @Metamagician

      More that opponents undervalue the role of individuals in this. We are all situated within dominant discourse. Hence, all white ppl racist.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @oreil_m @Metamagician

      We can tackle this on an individual level but by dismantling the discourse which defines us according to a certain understanding of it.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @oreil_m @Metamagician

      The idea that a white individual could hear different discourses around race, involve herself in them, assess them, make own arguments? No.

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    8. Martin O'Reilly‏ @oreil_m 18 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Metamagician

      So, ultimately, the disagreement comes down to a different view of human nature and how society works.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
      Replying to @oreil_m @Metamagician

      Yes, exactly. Whether you see individuals engaging with a range of ideas & the best ones winning or systems of power deciding which ones win

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @oreil_m @Metamagician

      Of course, there is something in the latter. The views of the majority do become accepted as the norm. But they change.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @oreil_m @Metamagician

      There is resistance to accepting that the zeitgeist changes via the free expression of ideas & new, minority ideas gaining acceptance.

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @oreil_m @Metamagician

          You see it when, for eg, ppl insist feminists or the Civil Rights Movement changed society single-handedly by means of activism.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @oreil_m @Metamagician

          They get angry if you suggest they increased discussion but society as a whole changed & that is how the change became the norm.

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        4. Martin O'Reilly‏ @oreil_m 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Metamagician

          Yes, the debate started much earlier with Wollstonecraft, Bentham, Mill and Harriet Taylor Mill.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @oreil_m @Metamagician

          Yes, exactly. The ideas were ripening & they came into fruition in the 60s.

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        6. Martin O'Reilly‏ @oreil_m 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Metamagician

          Back the the FS issue, it still find it puzzling that manypeople are so sensitive to dissenting or even reactionary views.

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        7. Martin O'Reilly‏ @oreil_m 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @oreil_m @HPluckrose @Metamagician

          In others words, some views are so dangerous they should not be heard. And sometimes that includes opposition to gay marriage or abortion.

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @oreil_m @Metamagician

          Yes. Because they don't trust the individual to evaluate them despite all the evidence we are more liberal now than ever.

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @oreil_m @Metamagician

          They don't think we are. The intense theoretical focus on systems of privilege leads them to see white supremacy, patriarchy etc as dominant

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        2. Martin O'Reilly‏ @oreil_m 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Metamagician

          Yes true. Though in some cases it takes a while for things to change and often it takes more than just the ideas.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 18 Sep 2017
          Replying to @oreil_m @Metamagician

          It can take more than talking to get the ideas across but, in democracies, unless the ideas change, society doesn't.

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