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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Passie_Kracht‏ @Passie_Kracht 15 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @vaginaperson

      I'm interested to know what words you used before and how words like trans & cis were introduced in your vocabulary. What triggered that?

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Passie_Kracht @vaginaperson

      I learnt the word *cis* when I started discussing trans rights.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Passie_Kracht‏ @Passie_Kracht 15 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @vaginaperson

      Yes, before there was 'cis' there was 'trans'. But what was there before 'trans'? What words did you use then?

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Passie_Kracht @vaginaperson

      I didn't discuss trans issues before I discussed trans issues.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Passie_Kracht‏ @Passie_Kracht 15 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @vaginaperson

      Why? Did 'trans issues' not exist? Was it a taboo to talk about them? Were there no words to talk about them? Were you unaware of them?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Passie_Kracht @vaginaperson

      Please go away unless you have a point to make.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Passie_Kracht‏ @Passie_Kracht 15 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @vaginaperson

      Trying to figure out what made you use new words to describe a previously (apparently) undescribed form of oppression.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Passie_Kracht‏ @Passie_Kracht 15 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Passie_Kracht @HPluckrose @vaginaperson

      Where was the oppression before the words were created? Was it non-existent? Is this a new axe of oppression?

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Passie_Kracht @vaginaperson

      Do you think words create oppression? If we didn't have trans & cis, trans women would not experience prejudice?

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    10. Passie_Kracht‏ @Passie_Kracht 15 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @vaginaperson

      No. I'm wondering if the oppression existed when the words didn't. If it did, why were there no words to describe it?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Passie_Kracht @vaginaperson

      Usually terms for prejudice & oppression come into being when society realises its wrong to oppress people.

      8:05 AM - 15 Sep 2017
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        2. Passie_Kracht‏ @Passie_Kracht 15 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @vaginaperson

          In this case one axis of oppression replaces another though. Words used to describe one axis of oppression (gender) were coined to replace

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Sep 2017
          Replying to @Passie_Kracht @vaginaperson

          I'm going to leave it here. Trans ppl face prejudice for being trans. That is a bad thing however you define it.

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        4. Passie_Kracht‏ @Passie_Kracht 15 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @vaginaperson

          I'm not denying that. I'm trying to figure out how we can stand up for 2 oppressed groups when defending one erodes the rights of the other.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Sep 2017
          Replying to @Passie_Kracht @vaginaperson

          That's what we all have to work out. I am writing a thing on this right now re: military, changing rooms, children's bodily integrity etc

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Passie_Kracht‏ @Passie_Kracht 15 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @vaginaperson

          I agree it's a debate to be had. Meanwhile laws reflecting these new definitions are being passed though. What's your view on this?

          2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Sep 2017
          Replying to @Passie_Kracht @vaginaperson

          That I'd like to stop discussing this after about ten hours. Please accept this coz I'd rather not mute someone who will discuss civilly.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Passie_Kracht‏ @Passie_Kracht 15 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @vaginaperson

          I've hardly taken up 10 hrs of your time ☺️ but I'll respect it if you don't want to continue the discussion.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Sep 2017
          Replying to @Passie_Kracht @vaginaperson

          You haven't, no, but there have been literally dozens of people & thousands of tweets. I am tired. Another time, please?

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