You brought up unconsensual pregnancy with men as the victims! I simply said that could work both ways! We were talking about the principle!
She's still pregnant. The man can sign the paper and go on with life as usual.
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Yeah sure... so you'd rather sacrifice someone's 78-85 years of life so that you get 5 months of your life without responsability?
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I do it every month.
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That would be sickening, but I know you are trolling ( or at least I hope)
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Well yes, because biology isn't fair and men and women are different. If she was going to keep it against the father's will anyway, I don't
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.. see what the argument is here?
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Well, I can't explain it any more clearly than that.Women can't make someone else bring their fetus to term &care for child by signing paper
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So???
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Women don't have to retain custody - therefore having custody as a single mother is a lifestyle choice. Why ding men for that?
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After all, not only CAN she get out of parental responsibility by signing a piece of paper, she can cut the father out of that decision...
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... as in some states, he loses his parental rights a few months after birth if he's not on the putative father registry & if he is, she can
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get around that by using safe-haven abandonment. So not only can women do what you said they can't, they can do it 2 ways on top of having
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You're the one who noted we are different biologically. But if you want it and I don't. I should be able to walk away.
#equality
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I think everyone in this conversation agrees on that. Helen disagrees in cases where neither parent wants the child as far as I can tell.
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Where the woman could have had an abortion?
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She's looking at it from a pro-life perspective, which, I would argue is not typical in cases where financial abortion would be relevant,...
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.. but I suppose it is A possible scenario.
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I see. A woman's personal stance isn't relevant though. Since the choice is still legally hers & available. The man is left with no choice.
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I would agree, which is why I don't think there's a good argument against giving men financial abortion rights.
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