Liberal democracies allow people to apply their own values to their own lives but not to anyone else's.
Smartness. I'm not arguing that all dress codes are wrong so pointing out that I only object to some is not a 'gotcha.'
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I'm objecting to gender-specific modesty codes imposed on children too yng to understand the significance &decide whether to subscribe to it
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No, You said kids are not our accessories, they are human beings, no one should force things onto them. Why does we force a tie on them?
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No, I'm not claiming that. I understand that you thought I was but I have now clarified so no point in continuing to argue against it.
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I am claiming that people have the right to live their own lives according to illiberal values but not to force them on others.
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There is no gotcha. I am just saying kids are not your accessory, you and schools have no right to force them to wear a tie.
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Make that argument then. But you're not arguing against anything I am claiming. I'd get rid of ties & high heel requirements at work too.
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You're views are too simple-minded and lacking nuance and full of generalisations to have an intellectual debate with.
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Because I said I'm not claiming what you're arguing against but you really want me to be coz it's easier to argue with?
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No. Because your views are too simple-minded and lacking nuance and full of generalisations to have an intellectual debate with.
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That's not really saying anything unless you give an example & show why it is any of those things & why your counterargument is better.
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