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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @ishaheen3 @HarithHere_ and

      Does liberal mean forcing conservative notions of religion and ideas of modesty on small children to you?

      1 reply 2 retweets 13 likes
    2. Harith Here‏ @HarithHere_ 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ishaheen3 and

      If you don't subscribe to a liberal world view, would liberals accept that or become as crusading as fascists to enforce conformity?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HarithHere_ @ishaheen3 and

      Liberal democracies allow people to apply their own values to their own lives but not to anyone else's.

      2 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
    4. Siema Iqbal‏ @siemaiqbal 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @HarithHere_ and

      Liberal democracies also allow parents to decide what they feel is appropriate for their children.

      4 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    5. Sjaen‏ @oraubergine 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @siemaiqbal @HPluckrose and

      Parents that choose the hijab for their 5yr old, are not liberal. So why should a liberal society appease it?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Harith Here‏ @HarithHere_ 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @oraubergine @siemaiqbal and

      Because liberals claim they believe in free choice and everyone should express themeselves in any way shape or form they like.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HarithHere_ @oraubergine and

      And no-one should force it on anyone else. That includes children. They're not your accessories. They're human beings.

      3 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    8. Ahmed احمد ال لندنى‏ @ahmed_tr5 9 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @siemaiqbal

      So I take it you believe children should also not be forced to wear school uniform, right? They are not our accessories.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Sep 2017
      Replying to @ahmed_tr5 @siemaiqbal

      No. Kids aren't intended to express their parents or their own values at school in their clothing. A standard can apply.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ahmed_tr5 @siemaiqbal

      I would equally be opposed to an atheist making their child wear a spaghetti strainer and schools accommodating this. Dress appropriately.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ahmed_tr5 @siemaiqbal

      The hijab has special significance tho coz it's connected to ideas of modesty. That is what the Muslim campaigners are opposing.

      2:54 AM - 9 Sep 2017
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @ahmed_tr5 @siemaiqbal

          The symbolism of this & its cultural meaning. Little girls' bodies being presented as sexual objects to be covered.

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        3. Ahmed احمد ال لندنى‏ @ahmed_tr5 9 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @siemaiqbal

          No, they are not. It's usually to get them used to it for wearing when older. Nothing to do with sexualising little girls.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Sep 2017
          Replying to @ahmed_tr5 @siemaiqbal

          That's equally bad & goes against the idea that its a choice girls must make for themselves. And why wear it later? Gendered modesty ideals.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @ahmed_tr5 @siemaiqbal

          Wear this to get used to being sexualised as an adult. Should schools also allow make-up & high heels?

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