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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Sep 2017

    It should be clear that 'depression doesn't exist' & 'make mental illness an identity & celebrate it' are both unhelpful.

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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Sep 2017

        Seen a lot of talk lately about whether we should say ,eg, someone is 'a person with schizophrenia' or 'a schizophrenic.'

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Sep 2017

        Obviously, people are willing to take offence at both & read belittling or erasing motivations into either.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Sep 2017

        I will go with the former because I don't like to be referred to as 'an epileptic.' But I don't assume ppl intend to belittle me with it.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Sep 2017

        The intense focus on language gets too much but there's value in observing how people frame things about themselves & mirroring it.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Sep 2017

        I think we often do this naturally to some extent. I will adopt other people's frames of reference & terminology semi-intentionally.

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      2. Will Truman‏ @trumwill 8 Sep 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think I agree, though forming a social community and reaching out to people with similar struggles can wrongly look like celebration.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Sep 2017
        Replying to @trumwill

        I think it would be a mistake to see them that way. This is mutual support, not taking an identity in order to qualify for oppression points

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      2. Dave Bromage‏ @davebromage 8 Sep 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I find this when mental-health campaigners wage war on those who suggest the likes of Trump might be mentally ill. It's a slur apparently...

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      3. Dave Bromage‏ @davebromage 8 Sep 2017
        Replying to @davebromage @HPluckrose

        ...even though there are definite pointers to narcissism, sociopathy & pathological deceit.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Sep 2017
        Replying to @davebromage

        Huge amounts of missing the point. Yesterday a load were arguing the problem with PETA's 'dairy products cause autism' was the ableism!

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      5. Dave Bromage‏ @davebromage 8 Sep 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        😫😫😫

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      2. Stormy Maniels‏ @republicluvv 8 Sep 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I agree. My brother is schizophrenic & the way I hear mental illness discussed by most makes it clear to me who has dealt with it (1 of 2)

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      3. Stormy Maniels‏ @republicluvv 8 Sep 2017
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        (2 of 2)& who seeks advantage by taking political issue with discourse surrounding it. It's intensely complex & very hard on the afflicted

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      4. Stormy Maniels‏ @republicluvv 8 Sep 2017
        Replying to @republicluvv @HPluckrose

        (3 of 3)as well as the family. Only a identitarian could insert power politics into an issue like this.  It reeks of ignorance & is shameful

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      5. Stormy Maniels‏ @republicluvv 8 Sep 2017
        Replying to @republicluvv @HPluckrose

        It's also an insult to disciplines that have done good work to save lives and help families like mine. It makes me sad

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Sep 2017
        Replying to @republicluvv

        Its counterproductive and tends to nastiness.

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      1. Gabriel Dertzer‏ @GabrielDertzer 8 Sep 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        One of the worst is when people think depression is when you're feeling quite sad.

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      1. Tony Hopkinson‏ @TonyJHopkinson 8 Sep 2017
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        I find both attitudes depressing...

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      2. Count Dissident  🧛‍♂️‏ @Cognidissident 8 Sep 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Tbh I think a lot of our present travails can be laid at the door of genuflecting overly much to some very disturbed people.

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      3. Count Dissident  🧛‍♂️‏ @Cognidissident 8 Sep 2017
        Replying to @Cognidissident @HPluckrose

        It's when tolerance goes way too far.

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