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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Sep 2017

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Shadi Hamid

      But has it? I know we see that but is racism worse now than when more people were Christian? When was it better? Which generation?https://twitter.com/shadihamid/status/905060616834043904 …

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      Shadi HamidVerified account @shadihamid
      Actually, the decline of American Christianity has led to an ideological vacuum on the right, increasing filled by White identity politics https://twitter.com/brenthatley/status/905058506964918272 …
      7 replies 4 retweets 19 likes
    2. Koka Biel‏ @_Kabaiel_ 5 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      This is certainly a non-sequitur , I would say if anything white nationalism has decreased, not increased, so much is arbitrary and anecdote

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Koka Biel‏ @_Kabaiel_ 5 Sep 2017
      Replying to @_Kabaiel_ @HPluckrose

      The same thing was said about racism and Evolution given Darwin's perspective on Africans and most prevailing at the time.

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    4. Koka Biel‏ @_Kabaiel_ 5 Sep 2017
      Replying to @_Kabaiel_ @HPluckrose

      Except Darwin's perspective was blatantly racist during that time period, and certainly viewed Africans as lesser.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Sep 2017
      Replying to @_Kabaiel_

      Everyone's was. The idea of racial equality hadn't arrived yet.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Jon Klaesson‏ @scarface_83 5 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @_Kabaiel_

      If either of you could provide a reference for his supposed racism I'd appreciate it, seems counter to this https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/01/racism-science-human-genomes-darwin …

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Sep 2017
      Replying to @scarface_83 @_Kabaiel_

      He was progressive by the standards of his time. Racist by ours. This is balanced.http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/did-charles-darwin-believe-in-racial-inequality-1519874.html …

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    8. Koka Biel‏ @_Kabaiel_ 5 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @scarface_83

      Quotes, while I agree with Helen, he did believed it science and natural selection, not racism. The best thing to do is to read first-hand.pic.twitter.com/J4AKU2is3Y

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    9. Jon Klaesson‏ @scarface_83 5 Sep 2017
      Replying to @_Kabaiel_ @HPluckrose

      while I am not trying to refute the idea, I think there's some missing nuance in those quoteshttp://scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts/2009/03/01/myth-7-darwin-thought-that-aus/ …

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Sep 2017
      Replying to @scarface_83 @_Kabaiel_

      I agree with all that. He 'concedes to the racism' of his peers but was enlightened for his time. That's the nuance. He couldn't know better

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        2. Jon Klaesson‏ @scarface_83 5 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @_Kabaiel_

          I think this is where I stand as well, at least for the moment. Neither devil nor saint and a product of his time

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Sep 2017
          Replying to @scarface_83 @_Kabaiel_

          Id even go with saint. A great man & a good man with some faulty assumptions to work with. He set us on the road to being much less wrong.

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        4. Jon Klaesson‏ @scarface_83 5 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @_Kabaiel_

          would you care to expand on the saintliness, I definitely see the greatness of both the man and the impact of his work

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Sep 2017
          Replying to @scarface_83 @_Kabaiel_

          Well, mostly that but he's also really likeable. If you read him, he's so clearly an ethical, honourable, kind person.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @scarface_83 @_Kabaiel_

          I mean, I don't think he was saintly but I don't think he was somewhere in the middle of devil or Saint either. He was a really good man.

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        7. Jon Klaesson‏ @scarface_83 5 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @_Kabaiel_

          oh, I didn't mean to imply it was a toss up, I definitely put him towards the 'saintly' end of the spectrum

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