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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @ishaheen3 @HarithHere_ and

      Does liberal mean forcing conservative notions of religion and ideas of modesty on small children to you?

      1 reply 2 retweets 13 likes
    2. Harith Here‏ @HarithHere_ 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ishaheen3 and

      If you don't subscribe to a liberal world view, would liberals accept that or become as crusading as fascists to enforce conformity?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HarithHere_ @ishaheen3 and

      Liberal democracies allow people to apply their own values to their own lives but not to anyone else's.

      2 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
    4. Siema Iqbal‏ @siemaiqbal 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @HarithHere_ and

      Liberal democracies also allow parents to decide what they feel is appropriate for their children.

      4 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @siemaiqbal @HarithHere_ and

      Within limits. Children have rights too.

      2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @siemaiqbal and

      To subscribe to gender-specific modesty codes or not is a decision that requires a certain maturity.

      3 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @siemaiqbal and

      If it were not so loaded with sexual connotations, cld be appropriate for a primary school. Nothing wrong with a scarf in itself unless hot.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Siema Iqbal‏ @siemaiqbal 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @HarithHere_ and

      Sexual connotations for a 5 year old? Are you really saying that? Has it occured to you that its a worn as a religious symbol?

      4 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @siemaiqbal @HarithHere_ and

      But of what? Modesty as a religious virtue. Gender-specific modesty codes don't get better because they're religious.

      2 replies 4 retweets 16 likes
    10. Harith Here‏ @HarithHere_ 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @siemaiqbal and

      If something is of my faith I uphold it regardless of liberal sensitivities. Where is your 'tolerance' or as always Islam is the exception?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HarithHere_ @siemaiqbal and

      And I defend your right to do so. Wear a hijab if you wish. Don't expect schools to help you enforce this on primary school children.

      12:12 PM - 3 Sep 2017
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        2. Harith Here‏ @HarithHere_ 3 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @siemaiqbal and

          There is no enforcement. If parents wish to make the choice then the're free to do so. Only reason this is a story is because it's Muslims.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HarithHere_ @siemaiqbal and

          Its not the parents who are forced to put little girls in hijabs, no. It's the little girls who have to dress as their parents tell them.

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        4. Harith Here‏ @HarithHere_ 3 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @siemaiqbal and

          In the same way you'd like your children to be 'Liberals' others want them distinctly 'Muslim' also. Please understand this and move on.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HarithHere_ @siemaiqbal and

          I would like my child to be a liberal. However, i will not force her to wear slogans declaring liberalism b4 she is old enough to understand

          1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
        6. Harith Here‏ @HarithHere_ 3 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @siemaiqbal and

          Common! That's a cop out. You indoctrinate her all her life but object at her wearing a short declaring what you've led her to believe!

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HarithHere_ @siemaiqbal and

          You don't know what I did with my child. And no-one is saying you shouldn't teach your child Islam at home either.

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @HarithHere_ and

          Just that you can't require the school to uphold values around sexual modesty for little girls.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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