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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Helen

      Horrible words. Hurtful to his family. Doesn't affect his ability to be a plumber. Stop sacking ppl for nasty ideashttps://twitter.com/Hells4Heroes/status/900761906037870592 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Helen @Hells4Heroes
      Aidan McAdam who sang sick “F*** Lee Rigby” chant before game in Sunderland is SACKED from his job as a plumber. 👍🏻 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/1465013/celtic-fan-aidan-mcadam-lee-rigby-song-sacked-mears/ …
      15 replies 12 retweets 27 likes
    2. Bweep‏ @icalltopsolo 25 Aug 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      He is responsible for what he says and does. Social consequences are a part of that. If there is no price for bad ideas, they never change.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
      Replying to @icalltopsolo

      Yeah but you can say that about any ideas. Often used to discriminate against atheists coz ppl find our views immoral.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Bweep‏ @icalltopsolo 25 Aug 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I was agnst Google's firing of that memo guy. There are some big differences I see is in the details (public v private, science v ideology).

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
      Replying to @icalltopsolo

      You'd punish less speech but still some speech. I get it. Seems unambiguously awful but still dangerous to normalise.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @icalltopsolo

      Because the majority view always gets to decide which speech is so awful, punishment is warranted.

      10:03 AM - 25 Aug 2017
      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @icalltopsolo

          That bloke saying it good a soldier died. A Muslim who recites Quran saying atheists shld? An atheist mocking the crucifixion?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Bweep‏ @icalltopsolo 25 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I'd put the onus on the employee. Emp shld know their boss's personality and the company culture and likelihood of ideas impacting emploment

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
          Replying to @icalltopsolo

          But that doesn't work ethically. If I have a religious employer or a sexist one, is it OK to punish me for criticising either?

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @icalltopsolo

          Should my mother not have marched & protested not being able to take accountancy exams coz her employer adamant against it?

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @icalltopsolo

          I'd much rather have a cultural disapproval of punishing speech generally than a lot of vague & abusable & shifting provisos

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Bweep‏ @icalltopsolo 25 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          There's an 'effectiveness' argument to be made. A pizza conpany is unlikely to hire a candidate who admits in interview that they hate pizza

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
          Replying to @icalltopsolo

          Yes, the pragmatic argument is different to the ethical one about whether its OK that we're normalising punishment for speech.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Bweep‏ @icalltopsolo 25 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          As I've thought more about ethics I've come to view this distinction as being imaginary. What cld we view as knowledge that wasnt pragmatic?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
          Replying to @icalltopsolo

          In this case, pragmatic relates to business concerns & ethical to whether right or wrong to punish speech.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Bweep‏ @icalltopsolo 25 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Wrong to punish speech, but people have a duty to follow through with their commitments. An employer has to act in interest of company 1st.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
          Replying to @icalltopsolo

          I don't think we should normalise idea an employer gets to say what views employees can have in own time. The opposite.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Bweep‏ @icalltopsolo 25 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Moral knowledge is an iterative process where we loop through problems over and over, increasing our resolution to see the best answers.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. Bweep‏ @icalltopsolo 25 Aug 2017
          Replying to @icalltopsolo @HPluckrose

          B/c of this, we need what you're saying (speech w/o conseq culture), but we also need room for mistakes and failures.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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