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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Helen

    Horrible words. Hurtful to his family. Doesn't affect his ability to be a plumber. Stop sacking ppl for nasty ideashttps://twitter.com/Hells4Heroes/status/900761906037870592 …

    Helen Pluckrose added,

    Helen @Hells4Heroes
    Aidan McAdam who sang sick “F*** Lee Rigby” chant before game in Sunderland is SACKED from his job as a plumber. 👍🏻 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/1465013/celtic-fan-aidan-mcadam-lee-rigby-song-sacked-mears/ …
    12:52 AM - 25 Aug 2017
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      2. Helen‏ @Hells4Heroes 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Would you want this kind of person representing your company? Would you want your customers knowing you employ someone with his views?

        3 replies 4 retweets 23 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @Hells4Heroes

        I'd want a norm that we didn't punish ppl for ideas. I'm an atheist so hold views others find appalling & immoral.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Lisa  🦋‏ @aquitaine1972 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @Hells4Heroes

        What has being an atheist got to do with anything! Guy deserved what he got

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @aquitaine1972 @Hells4Heroes

        I defend the right of ppl to express views I find appalling coz I want the right to express those others do.

        1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
      6. Peter Taylor‏ @petetaylor97 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @aquitaine1972 @Hells4Heroes

        I defend his right too, meaning the state shouldn't get involved. But I'd fire him, his free speech isnt consequence free.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @petetaylor97 @aquitaine1972 @Hells4Heroes

        You wouldn't have free speech for employees. I would.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Peter Taylor‏ @petetaylor97 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @aquitaine1972 @Hells4Heroes

        Not consequence free, no. I have a company and other employees to care about.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @petetaylor97

        I see why ppl might fire him to save their business. I just wish we lived in society where this wasn't called for.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      10. End of conversation
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      2. Mild mannered janitor.‏ @CBrenchley 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @AngryExile

        Hmm. I don't think I'd want him doing any plumbing in my home if I was a squaddie though.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @CBrenchley @AngryExile

        Well you probably wouldn't know. I'm sure some ppl with horrible views have worked in my house.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @CBrenchley @AngryExile

        Almost certainly used a cabbie who thinks apostasy should be punished with death & homosexuality criminalised.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. End of conversation
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      2. Bweep‏ @icalltopsolo 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        He is responsible for what he says and does. Social consequences are a part of that. If there is no price for bad ideas, they never change.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @icalltopsolo

        Yeah but you can say that about any ideas. Often used to discriminate against atheists coz ppl find our views immoral.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Bweep‏ @icalltopsolo 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I was agnst Google's firing of that memo guy. There are some big differences I see is in the details (public v private, science v ideology).

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @icalltopsolo

        You'd punish less speech but still some speech. I get it. I really do. But I'd still say no to normalising this.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. End of conversation
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      2. nevynxxx‏ @nevynxxx 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        What if you have 2 or 3 other staff refusing to work with him? Keeping him becomes untenable? I find the employment bits of this tricky.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Douglas_Barnes‏ @Douglas_Barnes 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @nevynxxx @HPluckrose

        Staff nothing. What if you have 2 or 3 thousand customers refusing to hire? There goes the company and all its employees.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @Douglas_Barnes @nevynxxx

        That's pragmatic rather than ethical tho. In many places ppl wld boycott a firm that employed a Muslim or atheist.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Douglas_Barnes‏ @Douglas_Barnes 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @nevynxxx

        I agree. And running a business will make someone very pragmatic. To a certain extent you are at the whims of your market base.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 25 Aug 2017
        Replying to @Douglas_Barnes @nevynxxx

        Which is a problem when society normalizes punishing people for horrible ideas.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. End of conversation

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