Thinking a lot at the moment about the balance between principles & pragmatism and between making good arguments & negotiating.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
I tend to like arguments & principles & particularly arguments for principles. You might have noticed. Reading other ppls & making my own.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
But to focus solely on this is to neglect how things work in practice and whether what you're doing will have the outcome you want.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
I like think that the *definition* of a good principle is that it has useful, pragmatic outcomes for society as a whole.
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Replying to @PragmaticPete
By 'principle' I mean things like, say, gender equality. By 'pragmatic' I mean the things done in service of this.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
I agree, assuming you are using pragmatic as an adjective to describe actions that support or establish a principle.
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Replying to @PragmaticPete @HPluckrose
I also think principles themselves can be pragmatic (or not). A principle that everyone must earn the same hourly wage, for example, is not.
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Replying to @PragmaticPete
That's not what I mean by a principle. The principle would be something to do with fairness or being able to live. The plan wld be pragmatic
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Replying to @HPluckrose
I see a principle as a "foundational belief". Almost any belief can be a principle, if you are willing to accept it as such.
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Replying to @PragmaticPete
Sure but can a plan be? I don't really want to debate definitions but usually when talking principles vs pragmatics, the latter is the doing
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This is the ethic we want to work by & these are the practicalities of how it will work. That is what I meant anyway.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Think we're on the same page. Definitions are very important though! Hard to align on a good plan if people have different definitions.
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Replying to @PragmaticPete
Well, we just sorted that out. What we meant. So conversation can continue.
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