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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia 16 Aug 2017

      1/ I'm very anti-SJW, anti-'woke' culture, anti identity politics, BUT I don't regard fascists & the regressive left as ideological twins.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 16 Aug 2017
      Replying to @IonaItalia

      The ideologies of the two extremes are complete opposition, yes. It's the irrationalism, illiberalism, authoritarianism that's alike.

      12:46 PM - 16 Aug 2017
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        2. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia 16 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          The opposition isn't just in ideologies. It's in the kind of appeal they hv, why ppl subscribe to them, what they understand by them, etc.

          2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
        3. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia 16 Aug 2017
          Replying to @IonaItalia @HPluckrose

          There's a reason why I have many 'woke' friends but no fascist friends. And it's not just societal opprobrium.

          1 reply 1 retweet 13 likes
        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 16 Aug 2017
          Replying to @IonaItalia

          But fascists are the very extremes whilst 'woke' can be much closer to liberalism & tolerance. Which ur friends must be to be OK with you.

          1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
        5. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia 16 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Yes and I'm only comparing fascists with SJWs because that's the specific comparison I've heard here & wanted to rebut. I think they are

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        6. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia 16 Aug 2017
          Replying to @IonaItalia @HPluckrose

          different in degree and kind.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 16 Aug 2017
          Replying to @IonaItalia

          Profound ideological differences, yes. I find people I can find common ground with fall between middle of Left & a little right of centre.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 16 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia

          So it takes in some people with SocJus views who aren't arseholes to me abt it coz still share common aims but I think they do it wrong.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 16 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia

          Whereas people equally far on the other side - to the point of advocating social engineering plans - I usually can't find much with.

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        2. Niels Roode‏ @njroode 16 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia

          I treat totalitarian ideas of islamism, far left or far right identity politics for what they are: illiberal. Keep the ball in the bowl.

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        3. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia 16 Aug 2017
          Replying to @njroode @HPluckrose

          No one is arguing they aren't.

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        4. Niels Roode‏ @njroode 16 Aug 2017
          Replying to @IonaItalia @HPluckrose

          my point is: it is not a bipolar scale of far left - far right, with virtue and endless whatabouteries as weights. It seems to be a bowl.

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        5. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia 16 Aug 2017
          Replying to @njroode @HPluckrose

          That's where I totally disagree. I think there are differences of KIND between joining a fascist organisation & becoming an SJW.

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        6. Niels Roode‏ @njroode 16 Aug 2017
          Replying to @IonaItalia @HPluckrose

          I find it hard to put weights on different types of totalitarian thought. If weighed by societal risk, islamism today outruns the far L/R.

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        7. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia 16 Aug 2017
          Replying to @njroode @HPluckrose

          I'm not trying to weight them by societal risk. I'm talking about how and why they appeal to ppl & making a fundamental distinction between

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia 16 Aug 2017
          Replying to @IonaItalia @njroode @HPluckrose

          a good cause which was later hijacked or perverted & a cause which was always rotten to the core.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Niels Roode‏ @njroode 16 Aug 2017
          Replying to @IonaItalia @HPluckrose

          I see your point. But good (but later perverted) intentions are a shaky proxy for better outcome. Perhaps Marxism proved that.

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