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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. (((A Student, For Real)))‏ @J_indetroit 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Wouldn't societies always change over time, and wouldn't a liberal always try to be open to change that increases freedom & well being?

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @J_indetroit

      Yes, there'll always be tinkering but the values which supported what is now considered liberal values could be so old as to be conservative

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    3. (((A Student, For Real)))‏ @J_indetroit 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I think you can value freedom and individual liberty and always find ways in the world not yet anticipated to improve those.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @J_indetroit

      So do I but I think valuing these could become traditional values that we need to conserve and so this could become conservative values.

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    5. (((A Student, For Real)))‏ @J_indetroit 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I guess if society were changing in ways that were more authoritarian & restricting, then the liberal would be defending existing freedoms.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @J_indetroit

      It's hard to say how it could change & I'm still not entirely clear what I'm even trying to get at but yes, liberal democracy cld become

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @J_indetroit

      a tradition held to by people considered conservative by progressives seeing themselves as the innovators in social justice.

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    8. (((A Student, For Real)))‏ @J_indetroit 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Oh I see. That's already kind of happening. I consider myself a liberal, not progressive. But called conservative by far left. But...

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    9. (((A Student, For Real)))‏ @J_indetroit 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @J_indetroit @HPluckrose

      I don't think my values change in the process & therefore I'm not really a conservative. I'm still advocating increased individual freedom.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @J_indetroit

      Yes, this is what I mean. Not that values change but that society does. Ppl who were once innovators become conservers & in a way positive.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @J_indetroit

      Because it means traditions have been established.

      9:47 PM - 9 Aug 2017
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        2. (((A Student, For Real)))‏ @J_indetroit 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Not sure, because if you think of horseshoe theory, we're always in that center section. I have to think about this.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @J_indetroit

          Me too. I think this comes down to a very specific angle on conservatism in the sense of people who want to conserve modern values.

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        4. (((A Student, For Real)))‏ @J_indetroit 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          That is only if liberal values are accepted & widespread enough to become "traditional." But one could argue that the tug between

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @J_indetroit

          That's what I meant by 'hopes to become conservative.'

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