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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017

      Would it be true to say that a coherent liberal is someone who looks forward to the possibility of being a conservative? Bear with me.

      7 replies 2 retweets 17 likes
    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      If a liberal is someone who wants to progress towards certain goals & a conservative is someone who wants to conserve traditional values?

      7 replies 2 retweets 10 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Then a liberal who achieves those goals would, on achieving them, shift to being someone who works to conserve them & opposing change.

      13 replies 2 retweets 16 likes
    4. (((A Student, For Real)))‏ @J_indetroit 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Wouldn't societies always change over time, and wouldn't a liberal always try to be open to change that increases freedom & well being?

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @J_indetroit

      Yes, there'll always be tinkering but the values which supported what is now considered liberal values could be so old as to be conservative

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    6. (((A Student, For Real)))‏ @J_indetroit 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I think you can value freedom and individual liberty and always find ways in the world not yet anticipated to improve those.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @J_indetroit

      So do I but I think valuing these could become traditional values that we need to conserve and so this could become conservative values.

      9:20 PM - 9 Aug 2017
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @J_indetroit

          I realise I'm using these terms counterintuitively but in principle liberalism could become conservative values.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @J_indetroit

          We already see people who value freedom & individual Liberty called conservative & behind the times by the far left - enlightenment naivety.

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        2. (((A Student, For Real)))‏ @J_indetroit 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I guess if society were changing in ways that were more authoritarian & restricting, then the liberal would be defending existing freedoms.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @J_indetroit

          It's hard to say how it could change & I'm still not entirely clear what I'm even trying to get at but yes, liberal democracy cld become

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @J_indetroit

          a tradition held to by people considered conservative by progressives seeing themselves as the innovators in social justice.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @J_indetroit

          In the same way that Christians were once the radical innovators and became the conservatives because things moved on.

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        2. AxeGrrl  🎸‏ @Axe_Grrl 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @J_indetroit

          This makes sense, and I'd have no issue being labelled 'conservative' in that narrow way

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @Axe_Grrl @J_indetroit

          This is what I was talking about in a semi-facetious and muddled way.

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        4. AxeGrrl  🎸‏ @Axe_Grrl 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @J_indetroit

          Kind of a reassuring idea,b/c imagine how much progress would have to have been made for things like freedom 2b the 'norm' the world over :)

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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        2. Avner‏ @avnerarik 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @J_indetroit

          hehehe...you argue this in your POMO article, liberals wanting to conserve the liberal status quo...although i would see it as more like 1

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @avnerarik @J_indetroit

          Yes, I think this is part of it. The feeling that leftism requires challenging the status quo & universal liberalism had become it.

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        4. Avner‏ @avnerarik 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @J_indetroit

          we can do both...we just have to be clear that change is not necessary progress...

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        1. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @J_indetroit

          Aren't these already common traditional values? I interpret progressivism as wanting to progress the world to optimize values.

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