Then a liberal who achieves those goals would, on achieving them, shift to being someone who works to conserve them & opposing change.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Unless they are not someone with consistent values & goals but someone who wants to oppose tradition & advocate change no matter what.
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Agree generally. But, for a liberal, utopia (perfect equality etc) is impossible. Therefore, they will chase the horizon forever.
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I don't think so. I think we're pretty much there & the liberal tradition is something we'll need to conserve &so could then be conservative
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But, you have Trump in charge, and aren't the liberals still crying about patriarchy, Islamophobia, etc? Seems there's a long way to go
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I don't subscribe to pendulum theory, but there's a tendency for left-right oscillations, which all groups, inc liberals, are trapped in.
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And all utopias are impossible because they fail to recognise the inherent irrationality and recalcitrance of humans. No state can be stable
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Replying to @G_S_Bhogal @HPluckrose
Create paradise, and people will learn to hate it. Liberals will always find problems in society. By addressing one, they'll cause another.
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It seems like a self-perpetuating struggle.
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If the drive is for change & not goals. In the same way, a consistent conservative would become liberal if society changed enough.
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If what they were trying to conserve was taken away & they were presented with a society in need of more liberal values.
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