If a liberal is someone who wants to progress towards certain goals & a conservative is someone who wants to conserve traditional values?
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Then a liberal who achieves those goals would, on achieving them, shift to being someone who works to conserve them & opposing change.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Unless they are not someone with consistent values & goals but someone who wants to oppose tradition & advocate change no matter what.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Agree generally. But, for a liberal, utopia (perfect equality etc) is impossible. Therefore, they will chase the horizon forever.
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Replying to @G_S_Bhogal
I don't think so. I think we're pretty much there & the liberal tradition is something we'll need to conserve &so could then be conservative
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Replying to @HPluckrose
But, you have Trump in charge, and aren't the liberals still crying about patriarchy, Islamophobia, etc? Seems there's a long way to go
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Replying to @G_S_Bhogal @HPluckrose
I don't subscribe to pendulum theory, but there's a tendency for left-right oscillations, which all groups, inc liberals, are trapped in.
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Replying to @G_S_Bhogal @HPluckrose
And all utopias are impossible because they fail to recognise the inherent irrationality and recalcitrance of humans. No state can be stable
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Replying to @G_S_Bhogal @HPluckrose
Create paradise, and people will learn to hate it. Liberals will always find problems in society. By addressing one, they'll cause another.
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Replying to @G_S_Bhogal
This is what I mean tho. Liberals who have certain goals. Equal pay laws, same sex marriage etc. When they achieve them & want to conserve..
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...they become the conservatives and oppose the new liberals wanting to change what they achieved?
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