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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017

      Would it be true to say that a coherent liberal is someone who looks forward to the possibility of being a conservative? Bear with me.

      7 replies 2 retweets 17 likes
    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      If a liberal is someone who wants to progress towards certain goals & a conservative is someone who wants to conserve traditional values?

      7 replies 2 retweets 10 likes
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017

      Then a liberal who achieves those goals would, on achieving them, shift to being someone who works to conserve them & opposing change.

      6:51 PM - 9 Aug 2017
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Unless they are not someone with consistent values & goals but someone who wants to oppose tradition & advocate change no matter what.

          13 replies 2 retweets 7 likes
        3. Tony‏ @Tonyatwork 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Or, they're someone who doesn't think that they have somehow arrived at the end of their development. I hope to always change and improve.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @Tonyatwork

          I hope we all do. That doesn't relate to what I have said tho, does it. You don't hope to change for the sake of change, do you?

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        5. Tony‏ @Tonyatwork 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          No. But I do look around me and seek information that challenges my positions. I hope I don't get to the point where I say, "we're done."

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        6. Tony‏ @Tonyatwork 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @Tonyatwork @HPluckrose

          Maybe I misunderstood your point. Perhaps you mean becoming conservative in terms of preserving the incremental advancement we make. I agree

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @Tonyatwork

          Yes!

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Tonyatwork

          This is what we preserve. Women have the same rights as men! Stop now. Don't continue and demand more rights than men.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Tonyatwork

          This doesn't mean that there won't be different things that will come up which will make us have to think how gender equality will work.

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        2. (((A Student, For Real)))‏ @J_indetroit 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Wouldn't societies always change over time, and wouldn't a liberal always try to be open to change that increases freedom & well being?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @J_indetroit

          Yes, there'll always be tinkering but the values which supported what is now considered liberal values could be so old as to be conservative

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        4. (((A Student, For Real)))‏ @J_indetroit 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I think you can value freedom and individual liberty and always find ways in the world not yet anticipated to improve those.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @J_indetroit

          So do I but I think valuing these could become traditional values that we need to conserve and so this could become conservative values.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @J_indetroit

          I realise I'm using these terms counterintuitively but in principle liberalism could become conservative values.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @J_indetroit

          We already see people who value freedom & individual Liberty called conservative & behind the times by the far left - enlightenment naivety.

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        2. Nicholas Paul Charles‏ @thediplomat1987 10 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          So am I not a liberal anymore since I think the agenda for change of the modern left has gotten ridiculous?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Aug 2017
          Replying to @thediplomat1987

          Huh? No. But liberalism would have become an established tradition to conserve against the progressives.

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        4. Nicholas Paul Charles‏ @thediplomat1987 10 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          The #GoogleManifesto is teaching me that promoting equality of opportunity and individualism get you labeled an X-ist by the left.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Aug 2017
          Replying to @thediplomat1987

          Yes and liberalism is therefore seen as conservative. In one sense it is. It is a tradition with a long history that we want to conserve.

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        2. Chris The Eclectic‏ @EclecticChris42 10 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Hope I understand this. But you are saying that once a liberal obtains the goals they set for change, that they become conservative (1/2)

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        3. Chris The Eclectic‏ @EclecticChris42 10 Aug 2017
          Replying to @EclecticChris42 @HPluckrose

          maintain those changes made. Have I understood that correctly? (2/2)

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Aug 2017
          Replying to @EclecticChris42

          In that certain sense of the conservative as one that conserves worthwhile traditions. I was thinking about it anyway.

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        5. Chris The Eclectic‏ @EclecticChris42 10 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Agree with your point in general.

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