Would it be true to say that a coherent liberal is someone who looks forward to the possibility of being a conservative? Bear with me.
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Unless they are not someone with consistent values & goals but someone who wants to oppose tradition & advocate change no matter what.
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Or, they're someone who doesn't think that they have somehow arrived at the end of their development. I hope to always change and improve.
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I hope we all do. That doesn't relate to what I have said tho, does it. You don't hope to change for the sake of change, do you?
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No. But I do look around me and seek information that challenges my positions. I hope I don't get to the point where I say, "we're done."
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Maybe I misunderstood your point. Perhaps you mean becoming conservative in terms of preserving the incremental advancement we make. I agree
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This is what we preserve. Women have the same rights as men! Stop now. Don't continue and demand more rights than men.
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This doesn't mean that there won't be different things that will come up which will make us have to think how gender equality will work.
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Wouldn't societies always change over time, and wouldn't a liberal always try to be open to change that increases freedom & well being?
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Yes, there'll always be tinkering but the values which supported what is now considered liberal values could be so old as to be conservative
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I think you can value freedom and individual liberty and always find ways in the world not yet anticipated to improve those.
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So do I but I think valuing these could become traditional values that we need to conserve and so this could become conservative values.
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I realise I'm using these terms counterintuitively but in principle liberalism could become conservative values.
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We already see people who value freedom & individual Liberty called conservative & behind the times by the far left - enlightenment naivety.
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So am I not a liberal anymore since I think the agenda for change of the modern left has gotten ridiculous?
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Huh? No. But liberalism would have become an established tradition to conserve against the progressives.
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Yes and liberalism is therefore seen as conservative. In one sense it is. It is a tradition with a long history that we want to conserve.
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Hope I understand this. But you are saying that once a liberal obtains the goals they set for change, that they become conservative (1/2)
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maintain those changes made. Have I understood that correctly? (2/2)
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In that certain sense of the conservative as one that conserves worthwhile traditions. I was thinking about it anyway.
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Agree with your point in general.
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