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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Brittany Simon ♡

    They fired him for it! How does it not silence the expression of ideas if you know having the wrong ones loses you your job.https://twitter.com/BrittanySomeone/status/894985806657462272 …

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    Brittany Simon ♡ @BrittanySomeone
    Replying to @HPluckrose
    I'll have to think about what you said but my initial reading of his paper did not lead me to believe this was a silencing freedom of speech
    11:34 AM - 8 Aug 2017
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      2. Koka Biel‏ @_Kabaiel_ 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Freedom of speech has nothing to do with what you can say at a home or company, it regards the government. This shows us Google's philosoph

        4 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @_Kabaiel_

        https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/894992308298534912 …pic.twitter.com/zUs75c1djb

        4 replies 2 retweets 9 likes
      4. Koka Biel‏ @_Kabaiel_ 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        God knows it would be terrible for Children to be clamoring "freedom of speech" when they are disciplined for calling their mother an idiot

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Ben‏ @BristolBen 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @_Kabaiel_ @HPluckrose

        Children are irresponsible for their actions and thus do not enjoy all the rights enjoyed by adults.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Koka Biel‏ @_Kabaiel_ 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @BristolBen @HPluckrose

        I can kick you out of my house for anything i please.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @_Kabaiel_ @BristolBen

        No-one is trying to say private companies have the obligation to support free speech, just talking about the ethics generally.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      8. Koka Biel‏ @_Kabaiel_ 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @BristolBen

        I agree on the ethics of the situation, but so many screaming free speech and illegal conflate the issues, and clarification is necessary.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @_Kabaiel_ @BristolBen

        I will post it! I will!

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      10. End of conversation
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      2. IndustrialstrX2‏ @industrialstrX2 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        They took away his income over his ideas. He wasn't expressing hate speech or even (in my reading) mildly discriminatory speech.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      3. Ken Dukes‏ @BeyondKenny 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @industrialstrX2 @HPluckrose

        No. They took away his income over his job performance while their paid employee. Yes, he has a case that he was not at all out of line.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. IndustrialstrX2‏ @industrialstrX2 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @BeyondKenny @HPluckrose

        So he wrote this after his termination - or while it was imminent? Or do they assert this was incidental/coincidental? Was he on probation?

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @industrialstrX2 @BeyondKenny

        He contributed it in a post in a group he was part of which was specifically set up to share thoughts on diversity at google.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. IndustrialstrX2‏ @industrialstrX2 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @BeyondKenny

        What I don't see is how that equates to job performance since the subject itself is largely subjective. (Ken's 1st response)

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Ken Dukes‏ @BeyondKenny 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @industrialstrX2 @HPluckrose

        If he did it at his workplace whilst being paid by his employers...

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @BeyondKenny @industrialstrX2

        But the other people who contributed to the group have not been fired. The group was legitimate. People encouraged to contribute.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      9. Ken Dukes‏ @BeyondKenny 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @industrialstrX2

        That's why I said, this case is nuanced. Google (according to what I read) encouraged a culture of speaking out and criticizing management.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        They fired him for use of googles internal mailing list, not for free speechhttp://uk.businessinsider.com/james-damore-google-anti-diversity-manifesto-free-speech-2017-8?r=US&IR=T …

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @lizlozlizloz

        I am talking about principle of promoting the free expression of ideas not abt the 1st Amendment which is 1 law in 1 country & just abt govpic.twitter.com/K2skd0mHYu

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I absolutely agree. I wish he hasn't been sacked, and I wish the response from lib-left was more open to his thoughts.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @lizlozlizloz @HPluckrose

        But wanted to point out reason for his sacking was probably not his ideas. Or maybe it was, we won't really know.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @lizlozlizloz

        Well, they said it was. He posted in a group to discuss thoughts on diversity & he has been sacked for it whilst the others have not.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Lizzy‏ @lizlozlizloz 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I don't think we know the official reason. But I know that if I criticised my employer on my own FB wall I'd be sacked.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017
        Replying to @lizlozlizloz

        I'd be critical of that too but in this case he posted in a group he was part of & which was specifically set up for talking abt diversity.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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