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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Lasse Rimmer

      So, it was entirely the appropriate place for him to express his views on diversity. The problem can only be what those views were.https://twitter.com/lasserimmer/status/894977455123025920 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Lasse RimmerVerified account @lasserimmer
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BrittanySomeone
      That ongoing, internal discussion is apparently centered around a Google Group called "coffee beans". pic.twitter.com/cvgqD7iblc
      4 replies 11 retweets 21 likes
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017

      I would like people claiming that it was an inappropriate way to make those points to tell me what the appropriate way would have been.

      10:49 AM - 8 Aug 2017
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        2. Matt Hatfield‏ @BigBadSystems 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          There's not an appropriate way to publicly hand-wave about how science supports something harmful to your peers when science doesn't.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @BigBadSystems

          No-one is suggesting doing that. Suggesting presenting the consensus of the behavioural sciences on gender in discussions on gender.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Matt Hatfield‏ @BigBadSystems 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          There's not a clear consensus to present, though. There are interesting findings, but we're nowhere near clear statements about causality.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @BigBadSystems

          There are clear consensuses on many things and more women being drawn to working with people &more men to working with things is one of them

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @BigBadSystems

          Obviously, you retain the right to disbelieve the scientists on this but not to shut down, ban, punish, fire, vilify people citing them.

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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        2. Matt Hatfield‏ @BigBadSystems 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Vague generalizations from non-scientists who read a paper and think it supports a reactionary change to their workplace shouldn't be. 2/2

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @BigBadSystems

          What reactionary change?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Matt Hatfield‏ @BigBadSystems 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Memo guy wants to see diversity targets, special support systems out. Many people disagree with him. The science does not simplify this.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @BigBadSystems

          Biological gender differences are something to consider when setting targets. There's a reason we won't see 50/50 representation everywhere.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Matt Hatfield‏ @BigBadSystems 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          The point is that those differences don't reduce to things that make simple profession preferences fit. As memo guy himself sees.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @BigBadSystems

          He does. Treat people as individuals and not as members of groups he said.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Lasse Rimmer‏Verified account @lasserimmer 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I love that approach. If the science is wrong or vague, argue that.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Lasse Rimmer‏Verified account @lasserimmer 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @lasserimmer @HPluckrose

          Otherwise, it's a bit like firing someone for "perpetuating stereotypes" for saying you need a uterus to give birth.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        4. Lasse Rimmer‏Verified account @lasserimmer 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @lasserimmer @HPluckrose

          "That MIGHT be true, but don't you dare say it out loud."

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        1. Gil Ant‏ @Gil_Ant 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Clarification: don't think it was inappropriate, think he could have communicated it better, for making point across.

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        2. Gil Ant‏ @Gil_Ant 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          For persuasion, should have focused on STEM pipeline problem & impact on parity goal. EvoPsy is a no-no in SocJus land.

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        3. Gil Ant‏ @Gil_Ant 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @Gil_Ant @HPluckrose

          For the evoPsy & Bio info should have given more detail & write in a more nuanced manner, shades of B. Peterson too crude but matter of form

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Gil Ant‏ @Gil_Ant 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @Gil_Ant @HPluckrose

          he's a smart guy, hard to understand how he misread so much the reaction, or, maybe he was counting on it, future developments will tell

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        1. Tony H #ScrewEU‏ @The_Morningstar 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          What appropriate way? You're obviously not allowed to voice opinions that don't match the perceived values of google

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        1. White Chocolate‏ @rhodeislander 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          If only there were a massive church door to nail this heretical text to.

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