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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 31 Jul 2017

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted MiguelClarkMallet

    We have legal equality. Huge strides have been made & they were made by attitudes & values changing. This involved thinking & talking.https://twitter.com/mar_de_palabras/status/892165030002774016 …

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    MiguelClarkMallet @mar_de_palabras
    Replying to @HPluckrose
    @zandze Except we don't have gender/racial/LGBT equality. So if you don't see that, I'm not sure what else to say.
    4:29 PM - 31 Jul 2017
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      2. MiguelClarkMallet‏ @mar_de_palabras 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        @zandze 1. We have legal equality on paper. A whole raft of stats demonstrates that we don't have it in actuality.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @mar_de_palabras @zandze

        Equal outcomes? No, we never will.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. MiguelClarkMallet‏ @mar_de_palabras 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @zandze

        I'm even talking about "outcomes." I'm talking about resources, access to health & education, treatment in the courts

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @mar_de_palabras @zandze

        Men's rights activism?

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      6. MiguelClarkMallet‏ @mar_de_palabras 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @zandze

        What about men's rights?

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @mar_de_palabras @zandze

        These are men's rights talking points coz it's men who are disadvantaged in education, courts etc.

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      2. Your Friendly Neighborhood Nihilist‏ @Maxtropolitan 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Do you have legislated full equality in the UK? In the US we certainly don't.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @Maxtropolitan

        Almost. Men still lack a few rights women have & there's a couple of injustices re gay men & blood donation & trans spouses consent needed.

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      2. MiguelClarkMallet‏ @mar_de_palabras 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        The question is how attitudes/values changes. I still don't see any evidence that rational discourse was a primary cause.

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      3. Pallor Ergo Doom‏ @SlagOffTwits 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @mar_de_palabras @HPluckrose

        Look around the world. What countries have the highest standards of living, and greatest freedom and equality? What do most have in common?

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. MiguelClarkMallet‏ @mar_de_palabras 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @SlagOffTwits @HPluckrose

        They all were very successful at subjugating and exploiting other peoples around the world.

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      5. Pallor Ergo Doom‏ @SlagOffTwits 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @mar_de_palabras @HPluckrose

        And now?

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      6. MiguelClarkMallet‏ @mar_de_palabras 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @SlagOffTwits @HPluckrose

        They continue to profit from that exploitation, judging themselves superior to those they exploited & marginalizing some of their own folks.

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      7. Pallor Ergo Doom‏ @SlagOffTwits 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @mar_de_palabras @HPluckrose

        That sounds horrible! Are there any nations you can name that aren't exploitive, judgmental, and marginalizing?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      8. MiguelClarkMallet‏ @mar_de_palabras 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @SlagOffTwits @HPluckrose

        IDK. Are there any *you* can name?

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      9. Pallor Ergo Doom‏ @SlagOffTwits 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @mar_de_palabras @HPluckrose

        You don't know? Then what are you arguing for or against... someone else having an opinion? 🙄

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      1. sara za‏ @zandze 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        in the U.S. at least, that movement has involved protest & activism, in addition to quieter advocacy

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      1. MiguelClarkMallet‏ @mar_de_palabras 31 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        @zandze 2. Any history of the civil rights/LGBT rights/women's rights struggles shows people literally died to make conversations happen

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