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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Samar @TheMJAP‏ @TheMJAP 23 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @holland_tom

      Do you support the rights of people to further marginalise an already hugely marginalised section of the LGBT community? Yes or no?

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    2. Greg Stevens‏Verified account @gregstevens 23 Jul 2017
      Replying to @TheMJAP @HPluckrose @holland_tom

      Asking a perfunctory "yes or no??" to a hugely vague question is a terrible strategy if you want real discourse, tbh.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Samar @TheMJAP‏ @TheMJAP 23 Jul 2017
      Replying to @gregstevens @HPluckrose @holland_tom

      I imagine if the answer was "No" it wouldn't need further explanation. But thanks for your input.

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    4. Greg Stevens‏Verified account @gregstevens 23 Jul 2017
      Replying to @TheMJAP @HPluckrose @holland_tom

      The question is very vague, regardless of what one imagines the answer to be. 😉

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    5. Samar @TheMJAP‏ @TheMJAP 23 Jul 2017
      Replying to @gregstevens @HPluckrose @holland_tom

      "Do you support the rights of people to further marginalise an already hugely marginalised section of the LGBT community?" Vague?!?

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    6. Greg Stevens‏Verified account @gregstevens 23 Jul 2017
      Replying to @TheMJAP @HPluckrose @holland_tom

      - what do you mean by "marginalized"? - who does "people" refer to? - do you mean one specific "section" or all marginalized ones? (&c &c..)

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    7. Greg Stevens‏Verified account @gregstevens 23 Jul 2017
      Replying to @gregstevens @TheMJAP and

      It's not at all clear if you are framing it as a question about any and all types of marginalization, or what forms it might take, ...

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    8. Greg Stevens‏Verified account @gregstevens 23 Jul 2017
      Replying to @gregstevens @TheMJAP and

      ...given a nature of the term "marginalization", in fact, I'm not even sure I know what YOU think qualifies.

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    9. Greg Stevens‏Verified account @gregstevens 23 Jul 2017
      Replying to @gregstevens @TheMJAP and

      Moreover, if you want to get real about this, it's worth unpacking what it means to have the "right" to marginalize a group....

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    10. Greg Stevens‏Verified account @gregstevens 23 Jul 2017
      Replying to @gregstevens @TheMJAP and

      Generally, the "right to marginalize" wouldn't be an explicitly ceded right, you know? So you'd have to define what actual right it is...

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 23 Jul 2017
      Replying to @gregstevens @TheMJAP @holland_tom

      Apparently ex-Muslim LGBTs are bullying Islam by being rude abt it. The Catholic Church is similarly victimised. Mean LGBTs.

      12:16 PM - 23 Jul 2017
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        2. Greg Stevens‏Verified account @gregstevens 23 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @TheMJAP @holland_tom

          Indeed. Well if my right to say "Any religion that denigrates gay people is a shitty fucking religion" constitutes "marginalizing" anyone...

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        3. Greg Stevens‏Verified account @gregstevens 23 Jul 2017
          Replying to @gregstevens @HPluckrose and

          ....then, yeah, I believe in the right of some people to marginalized other people (in that very specific way, at least). LOL

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        4. Samar @TheMJAP‏ @TheMJAP 23 Jul 2017
          Replying to @gregstevens @HPluckrose @holland_tom

          You'd have to deny that LGBT Muslims exist, of course. Ones who don't find a conflict in their belief and existence.

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        5. Greg Stevens‏Verified account @gregstevens 23 Jul 2017
          Replying to @TheMJAP @HPluckrose @holland_tom

          I'd just say they are using the term "Muslim" to refer to a different belief system than the one most people who use the term mean.

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        6. Samar @TheMJAP‏ @TheMJAP 23 Jul 2017
          Replying to @gregstevens @HPluckrose @holland_tom

          And you're more qualified then they are to make that assessment?

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        7. Greg Stevens‏Verified account @gregstevens 23 Jul 2017
          Replying to @TheMJAP @HPluckrose @holland_tom

          To me, debating what the "real" tenets of a religion are is useless; but it's important to note if on person is using a term....

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        8. Greg Stevens‏Verified account @gregstevens 23 Jul 2017
          Replying to @gregstevens @TheMJAP and

          ...in a way that is at odds with how most others who describe themselves that way use it. I'm not saying it's invalid: just worth noting.

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        9. Greg Stevens‏Verified account @gregstevens 23 Jul 2017
          Replying to @gregstevens @TheMJAP and

          It helps prevent pointless debates about who is insulting whom, once you realize the two groups mean different things with the term. 😉

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