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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jul 2017

      Hmm.http://www.thrillingheroics.com/maxims/ 

      19 replies 4 retweets 9 likes
    2. Your Friendly Neighborhood Nihilist‏ @Maxtropolitan 20 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Jordan Peterson is best known for thinking himself a hero for refusing to use trans students' preferred gender pronouns.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jul 2017
      Replying to @Maxtropolitan

      I support his right not to do that and respect him for standing up for free speech although I myself will use pronouns.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Your Friendly Neighborhood Nihilist‏ @Maxtropolitan 20 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      By extension do you support his students' right to call him "ma'am" without being sanctioned for being disrespectful?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jul 2017
      Replying to @Maxtropolitan

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

      Yes. I thought I came up with that idea. Or similar.https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/859890487234367489 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1
      If students had called Jordan Peterson 'Jordana' & referred to him as 'her' rather than demanding firing it would have tested his principles
      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Rob Platt‏ @Robert_Platt 20 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Maxtropolitan

      He could just as well argue that he should be allowed to make lewd remarks at his students, justified by free speech. Seems absurd.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jul 2017
      Replying to @Robert_Platt @Maxtropolitan

      I don't see that. Not sharing someone else's concept of gender is not the same as making sexual comments about them.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Rob Platt‏ @Robert_Platt 20 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Maxtropolitan

      For sure it isn't the same, but he could make the same argument. "Laws preventing me from commenting on a student infringe my free speech"

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jul 2017
      Replying to @Robert_Platt @Maxtropolitan

      No. He's not arguing to be able to make comments about other people, just not to have to accept their beliefs on gender in his speech.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Robert_Platt @Maxtropolitan

      In the same way, someone who believes gender is a harmful cultural construct shouldn't be forced to call people 'he' or 'she.'

      4:40 PM - 20 Jul 2017
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Robert_Platt @Maxtropolitan

          I'd disagree with both of them but people are allowed to be wrong. We can't tell them they must say, eg that humans are apes if they deny it

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Rob Platt‏ @Robert_Platt 20 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Maxtropolitan

          I take your point. But, this is a teacher relationship. So my point is, I could have a relationship with a colleague but must accept...

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        4. Rob Platt‏ @Robert_Platt 20 Jul 2017
          Replying to @Robert_Platt @HPluckrose @Maxtropolitan

          ... that I must take care not to make a colleague feel uncomfortable (harassment). A teacher has a higher bar still given their position.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Rob Platt‏ @Robert_Platt 20 Jul 2017
          Replying to @Robert_Platt @HPluckrose @Maxtropolitan

          So he should show good sense. If a student has a chip on their shoulder, deal with it sensibly, don't deliberately use a pronoun they hate

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jul 2017
          Replying to @Robert_Platt @Maxtropolitan

          I think this would be sensible too. And kind. I just don't think you can make it a rule that people have to express certain gender ideas.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Your Friendly Neighborhood Nihilist‏ @Maxtropolitan 20 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Robert_Platt

          What's wrong with an institutional rule that says members must address others in the way they prefer to be addressed? It's basic courtesy.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jul 2017
          Replying to @Maxtropolitan @Robert_Platt

          We can't enforce beliefs on ppl. They must be allowed their own views on gender & everything else.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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