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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Jul 2017
      Replying to @christianjbdev

      But yes. This is what reasonable people keep arguing. But its not what was done historically & feminists assume it can't be now.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

      I have a started piece on the internalised misogyny of this idea that if men & women are different, it can only mean women are inferior.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

      You see it most clearly when feminists call arguing that cognitive & psychological differences exist 'perpetuating the idea of 'lady-brain.'

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    4. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 14 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I'm actually sympathetic. I think women can reason just as well as men, but doesn't entail we must be alike in every detail.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Jul 2017
      Replying to @christianjbdev

      Sympathetic to women being told they don't think good? Me too! Sadly, this claim gets conflated with any identification of difference

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

      It is simply insupportable for anyone to say men have a higher interest in or aptitude for anything - can only be sexism.

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    7. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 14 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Yeah, I guess. There is the debate over whether genders have different average interests, which I think they do.

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    8. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 14 Jul 2017
      Replying to @christianjbdev @HPluckrose

      And it's annoying that stereotypical male fascination with machinery seems to be more valuable in jobs market than F interest with people.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Jul 2017
      Replying to @christianjbdev

      I'm not entirely sure why that is. Might be a hangover from days in which women were seen as not needing to be paid as much generally.

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    10. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 14 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      No, I think it's just that we have a hi-tech economy where skills with machinery and coding pays more.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Jul 2017
      Replying to @christianjbdev

      But why do we? We have more nurses & carers & teachers & child-carers than engineers. We need them every bit as much.

      2:42 PM - 14 Jul 2017
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        2. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 14 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          It's economics I guess. It just makes more economic sense right now to pay coders more than carers.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Jul 2017
          Replying to @christianjbdev

          Could it be because they won't do the job if they don't whereas women more likely to accept lower pay for satisfying work? (I don't know)

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        4. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 14 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Well, it's more just the importance of IT right now to the economy. Carers are important, but they don't produce vast profits.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Jul 2017
          Replying to @christianjbdev

          Can get a bit Marxist here. Men being the workforce. Women providing the workforce. In this case, enabling people to work.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

          By caring for the children, the elderly, the sick for relatively low pay, their family members can go out & earn better money.

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        7. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 14 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Well sure.

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Jul 2017
          Replying to @christianjbdev

          OK, well the link with Marxism just occurred to me so I had to share it. :-p

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        2. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 14 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

          Another factor is I think it may be easier for a male to become reclusive and 'how things work' fields can be studied as a recluse.

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        3. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 14 Jul 2017
          Replying to @Intrinsic29 @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

          It may be easier for men to be shut out by society because maybe they need more attractive traits to be accepted by peers.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Jul 2017
          Replying to @Intrinsic29 @christianjbdev

          Not sure that's it. Women are generally more social anyway.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 @christianjbdev

          I know this was given as the reason more women are religious - needing to be part of a community and please that community.

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        1. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 14 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

          Demand. There is a shortage in many places. This means more valuable. 🤷🏼‍♀️Will can ask a lot of money, coz not that easy to get some1 else

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        1. T.J.‏ @tjaffry 14 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

          The services provided by these fields are more difficult to quantify, not as clear how much an individual contributes to the bottom line.

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