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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jul 2017
      Replying to @ConceptualJames @GodDoesnt @B_Y_3

      I think acting intentionally to produce outrage or to avoid it are both problems. Say what's important & if outrage results, weather it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    2. Ben 3‏ @B_Y_3 13 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

      I agree. But I don't think the determination worthwhile. Trying to distinguish the farmers doesn't matter if people still listen to them

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jul 2017
      Replying to @B_Y_3 @GodDoesnt

      I think it does matter if ppl say things for reaction rather than coz they mean them. Difference between whether we shld ignore or argue.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @B_Y_3 @GodDoesnt

      I have a real tendency to feed trolls & I think this, on a larger scale, explains things like the milo phenomenon.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Ben 3‏ @B_Y_3 13 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

      In all public situations you have to consider outside observers.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jul 2017
      Replying to @B_Y_3 @GodDoesnt

      Of course. But you don't have to consider only them.

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    7. Ben 3‏ @B_Y_3 13 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

      But you probably should. When your interlocutor ceases to be reasoning with you honestly, turn your attention to others or walk away

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jul 2017
      Replying to @B_Y_3 @GodDoesnt

      What is this related to? I thought we were talking abt whether we can see popular trolls & ppl reacting to them as a problem.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @B_Y_3 @GodDoesnt

      Whether we should only care about reactions or consider the behaviour causing them & their motivations?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Ben 3‏ @B_Y_3 13 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

      Finding those answers might feel good but they won't correlate with solutions.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jul 2017
      Replying to @B_Y_3 @GodDoesnt

      Why? I'm not following you at all.

      10:52 AM - 13 Jul 2017
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        2. Ben 3‏ @B_Y_3 13 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          Does highlighting someone as a troll reduce their influence, alter their behavior, or defeat their arguments?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jul 2017
          Replying to @B_Y_3 @GodDoesnt

          Well, yes. Evaluating people's motives, sincerity etc often has an affect on how they're perceived by people who care about these things.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @B_Y_3 @GodDoesnt

          But that's not even necessary to look at and talk about social phenomena like outrage-farming, how it works & what we can do about it.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @B_Y_3 @GodDoesnt

          To identify it as a problem. To see that the tendency for outrage has resulted in a surge in seeking to cause outrage & what this means.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @B_Y_3 @GodDoesnt

          Consider how to tackle the feedback loop. Sounds like you're suggesting ignoring the trolls & I agree but might need to spell this out.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Ben 3‏ @B_Y_3 13 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          I don't think that's quite right. I'm not saying ignore them; I'm saying the categorization of "troll" is useless.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jul 2017
          Replying to @B_Y_3 @GodDoesnt

          Are we at cross purposes? I was just saying its helpful to identify as a problem the emergence of outrage-farming & talk about it.

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        9. Ben 3‏ @B_Y_3 13 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          Right. I disagree. Identification doesn't bring us closer to a solution to the actual problem

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