Although the IdPol branch will also deplore capitalism & use the oppressor/oppressed class & false consciousness of Marxist ideas...
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...they take a lot more from the PoMos who attacked Marxism as a simplistic meta-narrative with naive ideas of reality & science.
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The Marxists retain respect for objective reality & science & accuse PoMos of taking Leftist thought away from working class & into academia
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which is essentially bourjeois & elitist & also nuts. Marxists are more Utopian & foreward looking. PoMos nihilistic & all over the place.
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The Marxists think things can be fixed if you stick to principles & get it right this time. PoMos think not & were originally often playful.
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Deconstruct things to show everything meaningless & turn things on their head to show how culturally constructed it all was.
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Which pissed off the Marxists. Then the PoMos had a second wave in critical theory & got all intersectional, postcolonial & queer.
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So now they are quite revolutionary too but don't really have a coherent plan apart from to find everything problematic.
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Can you suggest some reading on this? I'd really like to look into it more and get a better understanding.
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This is a good quick read by a Marxist covering their main differences and attacks on each other. http://www.communistvoice.org/15cPostmodern.html …
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The shift on the Left from working-class socialist thought to middle-class PoMo thought is prob best explained in
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And he also covers the radically different principles, attitudes and approaches of both whilst being critical of both.
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Ok. I hadnt considered it in 2 portions. Do marxists use very different tactics?
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Yes, very. The thread went on as you now know. This also explains their differences well.https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/847199724100882432 …
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What a terrific answer in a few minutes. Truly honoured Helen
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Isn't ID politics based on the same Hegelian premise Marxism is? ID politics MO certainly resembles oppressed (proletarian) dictatorship /1
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Yes, please see rest of thread & timeline.
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It's amazing how often these two are conflated by people who ought to know better. I'm a social democrat & I can't stand identity politics.
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Liberal socialist, and I second this. I eschew pomo and I regard Marx in a similar way as Freud. Wrong, but onto something.
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