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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Jul 2017

    This whole healthcare argument going on in the US is bewildering to me as a Brit. Opponents seem to think doctors are enslaved.

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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        And there's a lot of refuting unseen claims that healthcare is a right which exists objectively outside humanity's conception of rights.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I genuinely don't know what they are talking about.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It does feel very odd for me, an atheist, to be told by Christians that rights are a human concept & there's no objectively moral stance.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I agree obviously. We need to argue for the right to healthcare as a moral good. But where do they think I think those ethics come from?

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      6. Morgan‏ @rhoark 3 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        That's the answer that needs to be articulated by proponents. What distinguishes a good policy from a right?

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Jul 2017
        Replying to @rhoark

        I am just discovering that Americans use the term 'right' in a quasi religious sense to mean something inalienable that exists objectively.

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 3 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @rhoark

        Whereas I am talking about 'things we decide that a good society should provide for all its citizens.'

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      9. Ben‏ @BristolBen 3 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @rhoark

        Whereas human rights are not something for society to decide. They are an ethical version of a scientific discovery.

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      1. Brewstermonk‏ @Brewstermonk1 3 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Agree it is baffling- need new single payer option - med/admin is v expensive there which seem odd in a land driven by market economy-

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      1. Not-A-Nation Ball  🇧🇪‏ @MrBelgiumBall 3 Jul 2017
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        Free market healthcare: the doctor does their job, gets paid. Socialised healthcare: the doctor does their job, gets paid.

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      1. Doc‏ @Gray_DM 3 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Aye, when Rand Paul gave that psychotic speech about "healthcare bring a right" amounting to enslaving him. So much for Hippocratic oath :P

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      1. Palnai the Starcaller‏ @palnai_videos 3 Jul 2017
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        Same, though as an Irish guy. Swear I've seen an argument that explicitly claimed that was the case, which is just bizarre.

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      1. MahdDogg "King Dong"‏ @MahdDogg 3 Jul 2017
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        "Congratulations, here is your degree after years of study and dedication NOW TAKE A STETHOSCOPE GET ON THE FUCKING CHAIN GANG SCUM!!!"

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      1. Pat Bioloka‏ @Amrael_pr 3 Jul 2017
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        By evil communists

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      2. Mister D‏ @CallMeMisterD 3 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I've had US doctors argue to me that the UK refuses to treat most things as there isn't insurance to pay lol

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      3. Mister D‏ @CallMeMisterD 3 Jul 2017
        Replying to @CallMeMisterD @HPluckrose

        I realised there's a lot of conspiracy theories in the US about UK and Europe health systems, trying to pretend socialism doesn't work lol

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      1.  🐸not 🐸 AliRadicali‏ @Banned_Ali 3 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        They somehow seem to think that doctors are free to pick and choose who they treat but not if they get their wages from "big government".

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      1. Starman in Elon's Roadster‏ @argentcorvus 3 Jul 2017
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        Opponents are either misinformed or afraid of anything that smells like socialism.

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      1. Douglas_Barnes‏ @Douglas_Barnes 3 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        And to me as a Canadian. My insurance is held by the Province (with help from National gov.), and our healthcare workers are paid.

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      1. Cab Davidson‏ @gnomeicide 3 Jul 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        That and guns. We're so similar on many ways either side side of the pond, but health care and gun control expose sharp differences.

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