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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @CBLK08

      ... and be very critical of the idea of gender-specific modesty codes.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @CBLK08

      In same way that we can support a gay man's choice to be celibate coz he thinks gay sex is a sin but not accept idea that gay sex is a sin

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    3. CLB‏ @CBLK08 1 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I agree this respect 4 the opinions of others allows true "choice". Note: this attitude was that of my Goldwater Republican family. I'm lib

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
      Replying to @CBLK08

      But I'd very firmly separate 'respecting the opinions of others' from 'respecting the rights of others to have opinions you don't respect'

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @CBLK08

      Because so often these get conflated & ppl make one of two errors: 1) Thinking they must respect the idea itself to respect the right to it.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @CBLK08

      2) Thinking that not respecting an idea justifies not respecting the right to it. These are essentially the same but manifest differently.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @CBLK08

      People perform mental gymnastics to support ideas inconsistent with their principles coz they want to support the rights of the idea holders

      4 replies 3 retweets 1 like
    8. CLB‏ @CBLK08 1 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      But if a principle 1 holds *is* the support of others rights, regardless of their own principles, it's simply a self-conflict. Gymnastics?

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
      Replying to @CBLK08

      Yes, when people aren't satisfied with saying 'I support your right to do this thing' but feel they must support the thing itself.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @CBLK08

      This is the 'right to choice' and 'rightness of choice' conflation I am talking about.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @CBLK08

      Not just 'I support your right to wear a burqa' but supporting gender-specific modesty codes in 1 culture that you'd normally condemn.

      7:00 AM - 1 Jul 2017
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        2. CLB‏ @CBLK08 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          "incendiary" speech. Its motivations are simply too questionable. Like climate-denial 🙄.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @CBLK08

          I don't because then what is appalling is always decided by the majority. Wrote this after the Milo thing but applicable more widely.pic.twitter.com/oAOl8GIWKA

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        4. The Question(KGB)‏ @CommonSenseUSA3 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @CBLK08

          Milo isn't hateful though. He's using ridicule and parody as a weapon against modern day "feminism". Atheists do the same against faith

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        5. The Question(KGB)‏ @CommonSenseUSA3 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @CommonSenseUSA3 @HPluckrose @CBLK08

          In fact I would say Milos largest audience are feminists who flock to disrupt him, making him more popular, and play the victim over words.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @CommonSenseUSA3 @CBLK08

          The point is not what you think of Milo but whether we should ban ideas we think are hateful. Not agreeing on which are strengthens a 'no.'

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        7. The Question(KGB)‏ @CommonSenseUSA3 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @CBLK08

          We shouldn't ban ideas. Ideas don't hurt people, people do that. Because at the core hateful "ideas" are the result of hateful people

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @CommonSenseUSA3 @CBLK08

          Or people you see as hateful because they have strong opinions that oppose your own.

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        9. The Question(KGB)‏ @CommonSenseUSA3 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @CBLK08

          Well again back to "everyone's reality is subjectively true" crap. If feminists see Milo as hateful in their mind he is.

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        2. CLB‏ @CBLK08 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          has itself been politicized in a "conservative" effort to defund it! So who undertakes public education for the public welfare?! No one. 3.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @CBLK08

          I think we have strayed way from the point. Do you think we can support rights to ideas but still be very critical of the ideas?

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        4. CLB‏ @CBLK08 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          On that question, but again with the caveat: do no harm. In a moralist universe "do no harm" is impossible because moralism is authoritarian

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @CBLK08

          I'm not sure what that is a response to. Do you see a difference between supporting rights to ideas & supporting the ideas themselves?

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        6. CLB‏ @CBLK08 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I'm taking it to the next step. Ideas have consequences. People act on them. I support any idea, anybright to have it, not any right to act.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @CBLK08

          That's a different issue and one we can agree on. Actions that harm people shouldn't be legal.

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        2. CLB‏ @CBLK08 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Not that Burgas are incendiary! My point on burqas would be that it is an emotionally complex symbol triggering multiple issues 1.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @CBLK08

          That's just an accurate observation.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @CBLK08

          Ethically, do you think it OK to support the right to wear them but also disagree with gender-specific ideas of modesty?

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        1. CLB‏ @CBLK08 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Hence, a kind of cultural anxiety, highly prone to manipulation-- a herd mentality-- and frankly I think this is politically intentional.

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        1. CLB‏ @CBLK08 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          to handle it! Another failing in our society and one which a nonpartisan public media should undertake, but supporting public media 3.

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        1. CLB‏ @CBLK08 1 Jul 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          in the cultural American mind. There has not been enough preparation of that mass mind, maybe intentionally-- certainly carelessly-- 2.

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