The whole concept of progress was central to liberalism then but derided & suspicious now. I think that's a shame.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt
You don't think its insulting, Helen, to tell black ppl complaining about racial discrimination - 'well, it used to be a lot worse?"
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Replying to @johnpike15 @GodDoesnt
But do you personally feel this way? When you see how bad things used to be, doesn't it inspire you to the cause?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt
bloodshed, largely because white America didn't and still doesn't want to acknowledge the depth and severity of the problem. /2
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Replying to @johnpike15 @GodDoesnt
Would measuring and showing facts about the depth and severity of the problem help? Or do we just go with conflicting feelings about it?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt
Helen, stop. Stop trying to have this argument you think you're having. Statistically data is relevant. Applauding 'progress' is useless.
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Replying to @johnpike15 @GodDoesnt
OK, I'll go away now. I don't think so personally. I think celebrating progress is very positive.
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As do I.
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Replying to @Surrey_Atheist @GodDoesnt
White woman, gay white man? Obviously it will be our privilege that makes us think positivity virtuous rather than apocalyptic despair
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Did I say anything about 'privilege', Helen? And did I say 'despair' at all? i'm talking about realism. But keeping being clever.
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Did you notice how I didn't tag you, perhaps indicating that I'm not addressing you specifically?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @Surrey_Atheist
You were riffing off our conversation, Helen. Don't hide now, it's unbecoming.
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