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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @johnpike15 @GodDoesnt

      How will we know when we get there or if we're going in the right direction if we don't have a scale?

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    2. War Replaced With Free Everything‏ @johnpike15 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

      1. Not the point 2. Who sets this scale? 3. I'm more interested in the conditions of ppl RIGHT NOW then how they compare

      2 replies 1 retweet 1 like
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @johnpike15

      I think that was @GodDoesnt's point. 2)That's what we're discussing. Where we think we are. 3)How do you measure this condition?

      3 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    4. War Replaced With Free Everything‏ @johnpike15 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

      The problem with the comparison is it presupposes things aren't 'bad' now because they used to be 'worse', which is an insult to the /1

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @johnpike15 @GodDoesnt

      This seems to be a projection & not a very reasonable one. Measuring progress tells us how far we have to go too.

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @johnpike15 @GodDoesnt

      As a general rule, we don't avoid measuring progress for fear it will discourage us. Its often inspiring.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @johnpike15 @GodDoesnt

      My fitbit seems to think so, anyway. I think it was a mistake when feminism stopped celebrating advances.

      3 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @johnpike15 @GodDoesnt

      It motivated & inspired us to keep going. Made us feel our efforts were worthwhile. That we were making a difference

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @johnpike15 @GodDoesnt

      The whole concept of progress was central to liberalism then but derided & suspicious now. I think that's a shame.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @johnpike15 @GodDoesnt

      But different psychologies exist. If you think acknowledging progress wld make you complacent, you're probably right

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @johnpike15 @GodDoesnt

      But nothing intrinsically demotivating about measuring. I think it depends on whether ur optimistic or pessimistic

      3:10 PM - 20 Jun 2017
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        2. War Replaced With Free Everything‏ @johnpike15 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          You're oversimplifying a complex idea, Helen. Do you think I'm arguing for not measuring things?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @johnpike15 @GodDoesnt

          I did, yes. Can we measure progress or not?

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        4. War Replaced With Free Everything‏ @johnpike15 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          Yes, measuring things is good. But all measurements are not the same. Ie, losing weight vs. racial progress over generations.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @johnpike15 @GodDoesnt

          No. Those are two different things.Do you think ppl can be inspired by progress or not tho? You seem almost to think it wld be immoral to be

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        6. War Replaced With Free Everything‏ @johnpike15 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          Oh, for fuck's sake, Helen. Now I'm just bored. Bored with this take of yours. I'm talking about taking in the full fucking picture.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @johnpike15 @GodDoesnt

          I know you are. Its very difficult to get you anywhere near the specific point at hand altho you did answer the question about it.

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