and we should listen to the people who suffer under it and ACTIVELY try to get it as close to 0 as possible. Not waste time on comparisons.
But different psychologies exist. If you think acknowledging progress wld make you complacent, you're probably right
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Would you say we, as a country, have done enough to help black ppl up to this point? Considering our history?
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I don't live in your country & do not have a well-informed enough knowledge of what is being done.
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Start here, Helen. And let me know if you still have the calm, reasonable take on measuring progress after.https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/ …
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If I am less calm and reasonable after reading it, will this put me in a better position to tackle racial discrimination more effectively?
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Hopefully, it will give u some insight into current & historical conditions pertinent to conversation at hand. Being angry at a bad thing.
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But remember, the conversation wasn't about whether we should be angry at bad things but whether it helps to evaluate levels of oppression
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Is ur feeling that doing anything other than being angry at bad things is evidence of not caring about bad things & therefore morally wrong?
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Everybody has feelings about things, Helen. Stop trying to make this an argument about your intellect and my emotions.
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But nothing intrinsically demotivating about measuring. I think it depends on whether ur optimistic or pessimistic
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You're oversimplifying a complex idea, Helen. Do you think I'm arguing for not measuring things?
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I did, yes. Can we measure progress or not?
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Yes, measuring things is good. But all measurements are not the same. Ie, losing weight vs. racial progress over generations.
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No. Those are two different things.Do you think ppl can be inspired by progress or not tho? You seem almost to think it wld be immoral to be
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Oh, for fuck's sake, Helen. Now I'm just bored. Bored with this take of yours. I'm talking about taking in the full fucking picture.
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I know you are. Its very difficult to get you anywhere near the specific point at hand altho you did answer the question about it.
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