and we should listen to the people who suffer under it and ACTIVELY try to get it as close to 0 as possible. Not waste time on comparisons.
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But different psychologies exist. If you think acknowledging progress wld make you complacent, you're probably right
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Would you say we, as a country, have done enough to help black ppl up to this point? Considering our history?
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I don't live in your country & do not have a well-informed enough knowledge of what is being done.
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Start here, Helen. And let me know if you still have the calm, reasonable take on measuring progress after.https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/ …
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If I am less calm and reasonable after reading it, will this put me in a better position to tackle racial discrimination more effectively?
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Hopefully, it will give u some insight into current & historical conditions pertinent to conversation at hand. Being angry at a bad thing.
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But remember, the conversation wasn't about whether we should be angry at bad things but whether it helps to evaluate levels of oppression
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Is ur feeling that doing anything other than being angry at bad things is evidence of not caring about bad things & therefore morally wrong?
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You don't think its insulting, Helen, to tell black ppl complaining about racial discrimination - 'well, it used to be a lot worse?"
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This is the pessimism & distrust of ppl I was talking about. The fear they'll use measurements to belittle.
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Numbers matter. Facts matter. But they can also give incomplete, and inhumane take. As with this racial inequality discussion.
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Course we don't always have to talk about facts & numbers but it helps to know eg, whether more or less black kids are getting to university
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Because if its more, you can then consider methods working but if its fewer, consider different methods.
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Helen.. those are easily quantifiable numbers. U get difference between that and saying 'we used to be a 9/10, now we're a 6/10', right?
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Yes. This would be more of an estimate based on where you started and where you want to get to.
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