and we should listen to the people who suffer under it and ACTIVELY try to get it as close to 0 as possible. Not waste time on comparisons.
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It motivated & inspired us to keep going. Made us feel our efforts were worthwhile. That we were making a difference
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The whole concept of progress was central to liberalism then but derided & suspicious now. I think that's a shame.
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But different psychologies exist. If you think acknowledging progress wld make you complacent, you're probably right
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Would you say we, as a country, have done enough to help black ppl up to this point? Considering our history?
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I don't live in your country & do not have a well-informed enough knowledge of what is being done.
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Start here, Helen. And let me know if you still have the calm, reasonable take on measuring progress after.https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/ …
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If I am less calm and reasonable after reading it, will this put me in a better position to tackle racial discrimination more effectively?
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Hopefully, it will give u some insight into current & historical conditions pertinent to conversation at hand. Being angry at a bad thing.
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don't measure. I'm talking about what that progress can HIDE. And if it doesn't effect you directly, it's a whole different conversation.
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I don't see why it would. If you think you've gone from a 10 to a 5, it shows you're only halfway there.
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And you get the difference between, say, needing to lose 20 lbs and being at 10 - and GENERATIONAL racial discrimination, yes?
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I see the difference between two totally different things, yes. How do you see the psychology of goals differently?
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Are u asking me if there's a difference between setting a goal to lose 20 lbs over the summer, & hoping for a better life for ur grandkids?
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Obviously not. But I don't know how to ask you any more clearly than I have whether having goals & measuring progress can be inspirational.
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I think you feel that if people were to feel inspired by how much progress had been made, they might stop feeling angry abt the injustice?
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That being in any way positive about the direction of anti-racism activism is to deny the incredibly negative impact of racial oppression?
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Ok, but measuring how many steps you take a day compared to last year is not the same thing as evaluating racial progress. And I never said
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The psychology of goals could be an issue.
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