No1s been able to give me example of patriarchy in the US w/out changing meaning to a)Men & women make different choices or b)assholes exist
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This isn't cut & dry. When Elizabeth I ruled, England still a patriarchy & rhetoric had to be spouted abt how she wasn't really a woman
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There can be some female figureheads but patriarchy can still exist 4 main part if the system still set up for men to be in charge of women
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eg In the 60s my mother cld vote but cldn't get mortgage or loan w/out male consent (guarantor) coz men still responsible for wives debts
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She didn't earn as much as men for same job coz explicitly assumed that man was breadwinner & women only worked for bit of extra cash.
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Right, exactly. So does that, for you, count as an indication (even if vestigial) of patriarchy? Genuine question - I have an open mind.
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That was patriarchy. It was enshrined in law. Women literally couldn't earn the same coz men expected to pay for family upkeep.
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It was a big problem particularly for single women & lesbians obviously who even in pairs often couldn't afford to live.
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That seems like an extremely high standard. Just as, in any system of social domination, a few from the subordinate group can be given ...
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... power, maybe to provide cover, perhaps more systematically but still remaining as subordinates, can't the same happen within patriarchy?
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That would still be sexist discrimination rather than patriarchy if the system legitimately allows for both sexes to access everything.
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Yes - I agree that your last 11 words there are the crux, overlooked by most discussions. But, to return to my orig. question, I guess...
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... differential access to birth control between men and women, esp. if largely overseen by men, would be patriarch-*ish*.
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It could be tho at the moment it favours women who have two chances to prevent birth whilst men only have one. Can't be helped tho.
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Indeed. Largely a function of (whisper it softly... ) biology.
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