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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @ConceptualJames @GodDoesnt

      No1s been able to give me example of patriarchy in the US w/out changing meaning to a)Men & women make different choices or b)assholes exist

      4 replies 13 retweets 59 likes
    2. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

      Well, I guess if abortion rights are rolled back in the way about 30% of the country would like, I guess that would count?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @Friedmanzone @GodDoesnt

      Not technically, no. This wld not be an example of a society in which men have all the power unless they did that first &then made that rule

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Friedmanzone @GodDoesnt

      That wld be an example of a law which disadvantaged women but if brought about by men &women (& more pro-lifers are women) not patriarchy

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

      Ah, OK. So a "patriarchy" inaugurated by men and women working together (a la Handmaid's Tale) wouldn't count?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
      Replying to @Friedmanzone @GodDoesnt

      Women can work to support patriarchal societies but not from a position of power within them or it isn't one.

      9:51 AM - 20 Jun 2017
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Friedmanzone @GodDoesnt

          This isn't cut & dry. When Elizabeth I ruled, England still a patriarchy & rhetoric had to be spouted abt how she wasn't really a woman

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Friedmanzone @GodDoesnt

          There can be some female figureheads but patriarchy can still exist 4 main part if the system still set up for men to be in charge of women

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Friedmanzone @GodDoesnt

          eg In the 60s my mother cld vote but cldn't get mortgage or loan w/out male consent (guarantor) coz men still responsible for wives debts

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Friedmanzone @GodDoesnt

          She didn't earn as much as men for same job coz explicitly assumed that man was breadwinner & women only worked for bit of extra cash.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          Right, exactly. So does that, for you, count as an indication (even if vestigial) of patriarchy? Genuine question - I have an open mind.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @Friedmanzone @GodDoesnt

          That was patriarchy. It was enshrined in law. Women literally couldn't earn the same coz men expected to pay for family upkeep.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Friedmanzone @GodDoesnt

          It was a big problem particularly for single women & lesbians obviously who even in pairs often couldn't afford to live.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          That seems like an extremely high standard. Just as, in any system of social domination, a few from the subordinate group can be given ...

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @Friedmanzone @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          ... power, maybe to provide cover, perhaps more systematically but still remaining as subordinates, can't the same happen within patriarchy?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @Friedmanzone @GodDoesnt

          That would still be sexist discrimination rather than patriarchy if the system legitimately allows for both sexes to access everything.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          Yes - I agree that your last 11 words there are the crux, overlooked by most discussions. But, to return to my orig. question, I guess...

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @Friedmanzone @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          ... differential access to birth control between men and women, esp. if largely overseen by men, would be patriarch-*ish*.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @Friedmanzone @GodDoesnt

          It could be tho at the moment it favours women who have two chances to prevent birth whilst men only have one. Can't be helped tho.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone 20 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          Indeed. Largely a function of (whisper it softly... ) biology.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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