No1s been able to give me example of patriarchy in the US w/out changing meaning to a)Men & women make different choices or b)assholes exist
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That wld be an example of a law which disadvantaged women but if brought about by men &women (& more pro-lifers are women) not patriarchy
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Ah, OK. So a "patriarchy" inaugurated by men and women working together (a la Handmaid's Tale) wouldn't count?
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Women can work to support patriarchal societies but not from a position of power within them or it isn't one.
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This isn't cut & dry. When Elizabeth I ruled, England still a patriarchy & rhetoric had to be spouted abt how she wasn't really a woman
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There can be some female figureheads but patriarchy can still exist 4 main part if the system still set up for men to be in charge of women
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eg In the 60s my mother cld vote but cldn't get mortgage or loan w/out male consent (guarantor) coz men still responsible for wives debts
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She didn't earn as much as men for same job coz explicitly assumed that man was breadwinner & women only worked for bit of extra cash.
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Right, exactly. So does that, for you, count as an indication (even if vestigial) of patriarchy? Genuine question - I have an open mind.
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But is the word "all" there essential to the idea of patriarchy, as propounded by most feminists?
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Feminists are incoherent on the subject. They have no working definition of patriarchy but see it in everything.
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Yes, I agree with that. But do you have a working definition of your own that you're using to judge that it doesn't (in modern west) exist?
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The standard definition that I gave in my last tweet after you wrote this.
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OK, fair enough. Fwiw, I completely agree that when there's no vestige of patriarchy in formal laws, then it basically doesn't exist.
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Then we are left with some attitudes & the important job of negotiating our way through those that are limiting & those that aren't.
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This is best done in ppl's own lives. eg rather than blaming patriarchy for an expectation that women will do more housework, show it false
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By not doing it if you don't want to. If you do want to & this works out well for you as a couple, everyone else should leave you alone.
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