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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Jun 2017

    Apparently, I can't be a humanist unless I accept that men are psychopaths rather than emotionally healthy humans.

    3:11 PM - 19 Jun 2017
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      2. CabinLoon‏ @cabinloon 19 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Hey, would that then make you a toxic humanist?! (Been having my own struggle on this topic today, too, sigh...)

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. CabinLoon‏ @cabinloon 19 Jun 2017
        Replying to @cabinloon @HPluckrose

        CabinLoon Retweeted CabinLoon

        Oh, now I see, I stepped into it replying to same guy! https://twitter.com/cabinloon/status/876850766283239427 … (Tho he didn't engage with me much thereafter; others did.)

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        CabinLoon @cabinloon
        Replying to @YS @DavidLEE0107 @jk_rowling
        I truly despise that term. It suggests masculinity is itself bad, too much = toxic. As mom of 2 boys, I must object. It's like "feminazi".
        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia 21 Jun 2017
        Replying to @cabinloon @HPluckrose

        I'm on the fence abt it. I think there are some attitudes associated w manliness when taken 2 excess are toxic 2 their holders or others.

        3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia 21 Jun 2017
        Replying to @IonaItalia @cabinloon @HPluckrose

        Helen has convinced me 'toxic masculinity' is not a gd way 2 describe this phenomenon. But now I'm not sure what to call it.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 21 Jun 2017
        Replying to @IonaItalia @cabinloon

        Which is a problem. I don't know either but do think it better to address the behaviour than gender it. eg, Boorishness when it is.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      7. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia 21 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @cabinloon

        But sometimes it's internalised societal expectations or views abt manliness (I honestly believe this contributed 2 a male friend's suicide)

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      8. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia 21 Jun 2017
        Replying to @IonaItalia @HPluckrose @cabinloon

        among other things, he believed real men don't ask for help, they are self-reliant...

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 21 Jun 2017
        Replying to @IonaItalia @cabinloon

        So sorry. Yes, this is almost certainly biology compounded by culture & could have been made better. Can still talk about that.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
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      2. Adam Schmadam #PeoplesVote‏ @adaminberlin 19 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think we're a mixed bag tbh.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Jun 2017
        Replying to @adaminberlin

        You are but generally, you're quite nice. When you're not, its not usually a result of cultural conditioning into psychopathy.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Adam Schmadam #PeoplesVote‏ @adaminberlin 19 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Agreed. I'm a big fan of humans in general.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      1. Brad O'Neil‏ @CoeTrawk 19 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        "As a humanist I believe people are good and noble except for half of them."

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      1. Secular Dhimmi‏ @6siders 19 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        sounds deHUMANizing

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      1. Josh Walrath‏ @JoshDWalrath 19 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        you've dealt with me for the past several months, isn't that proof enough for his thesis?

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      1. Mike‏ @citation_needed 19 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        …according to some dude who admits he's not a psychologist, i.e., not qualified to speak about diagnoses like that.

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