& by 'empirically managed' i assume that you are referring to policy. i prefer the term empirically culled for that. empirics is one element
No. He isn't. That is what the landscape symbolism is about. The many different ways of seeking the goal of improving human wellbeing.
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anyhow i think i made my earlier point. scientists who engage in public policy don't, at a very basic level think Hume's guillotine exists
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I'm going to mute you now because you never actually say anything. Just waffle on vaguely without any noticeable point.
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actually i was pretty clear about it Helen but you seem to act as if these problems are somehow new and havent been broguht up by others
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At least then I'd know what you're getting at. No need for all this vague meandering about never actually saying anything.
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Harris was mentioned in passing but there are others like him. You seem to be in denial that such problems exist
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I've said nothing at all about this & I still don't know what you're talking about in relationship to it.
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I can honestly say I have little knowledge and no opinion on the matter of scientists getting involved in public policy.
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You're obviously not to explain straightforwardly what your point is and how it relates to anything I've said & this is a pattern with you.
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he certainly does. the moral landscape is an extended excercise in confusing two different senses of ought.
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He claims there is only one right way to improve the wellbeing of conscious creatures? The landscape isn't a symbol of many ways?
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he presumes utilitarianism as a starting point and claims that doing so is scientifically justifiable
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and we see it in all kinds of policy: from public health to agriculture etc..policy wonkery is quite a complex issue
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and it doesn't do scientists in particular any favors to pretend that an elementary fallacy does not matter.
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he's right that science isn't value free, but wrong that this has anything to do with the content of the science
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and he might also have avoided the attacks of critics who quite rightly point out that he seems unaware of the dualism of facts and values.
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Harris might have benefited from studying Popper
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