But as they can't, I'm more concerned about the suffering of animals we made dependant on us.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
I am too. So there are two issues: (1) what to do with living dependent animals and (2) the die free/die well/never live trilemma.
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Replying to @AndrewGripp
And I think we've reached an impasse coz I'd go with die well & you with never live.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @AndrewGripp
It seems I am motivated by 'most pleasure/least suffering' and you by the rights of animals not to be exploited by humans. Both valid.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @AndrewGripp
If we were able to ensure that animals had pleasurable lives with least suffering & could do this without being in the control of humans...
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Replying to @HPluckrose
My point is that IF we breed them, we have a duty to minimize suffering. But if we liberate them, we don't, and they could fare well.
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Replying to @AndrewGripp
I get that. That's why I said its not an argument for reducing suffering or death. It won't do that. We just won't be responsible for it.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
It seems you can't be purely utilitarian here. Wouldn't it suggest we go out and alleviate the suffering of wild animals?
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Replying to @AndrewGripp
I think we need to stay in the situation we have re animals currently dependant on us & whether that is better for them or not.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @AndrewGripp
We're considering rationales & consequences for changing what we do now.
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We cld extend it to an argument that all animals wld do better on humane farms & that would be arguable if you go on suffering.
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