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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 16 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @AndrewGripp

      I wouldn't have said that we needed to fix this if I didn't think it needed fixing.

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    2. Andrew Gripp‏ @AndrewGripp 16 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      If we only produced and ate "happy meat," it would become much scarcer & more expensive. People might realize cheap meat depends on cruelty.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 16 Jun 2017
      Replying to @AndrewGripp

      Yes, exactly! Meat would become a delicacy. Provision for alternative sources of cheap protein for poorer people would need to be made

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    4. Andrew Gripp‏ @AndrewGripp 16 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      But that's the thing. We have this situation already today. We do have alternative (& cheap) sources of protein. So why breed more animals?

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 16 Jun 2017
      Replying to @AndrewGripp

      We're back to the original problem. Do I take it you are in favour of farm animals not getting to live at all?

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    6. Andrew Gripp‏ @AndrewGripp 16 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I think we should stop breeding farm animals ASAP. The living? 1) returned to wild 2) taken as pets & if not 1 or 2, then 3) killed humanely

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 16 Jun 2017
      Replying to @AndrewGripp

      Right. Would this reduce animal death and suffering at all or would it just absolve ourselves of responsibility for it and for them?

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    8. Andrew Gripp‏ @AndrewGripp 16 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      We can't be too bluntly utilitarian. We don't have many obligations to wild animals. Liberating them absolves us of responsibility, I'd say.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 16 Jun 2017
      Replying to @AndrewGripp

      OK, so this is an argument for liberating us from responsibility, not for reducing animal suffering & death. I'm more concerned abt latter.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 16 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @AndrewGripp

      If pigs could have a council & demand their freedom & say they'd rather die free than live as prisoners on farms, I'd say they should do so.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 16 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @AndrewGripp

      But as they can't, I'm more concerned about the suffering of animals we made dependant on us.

      12:26 PM - 16 Jun 2017
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        2. Andrew Gripp‏ @AndrewGripp 16 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I am too. So there are two issues: (1) what to do with living dependent animals and (2) the die free/die well/never live trilemma.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 16 Jun 2017
          Replying to @AndrewGripp

          And I think we've reached an impasse coz I'd go with die well & you with never live.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 16 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @AndrewGripp

          It seems I am motivated by 'most pleasure/least suffering' and you by the rights of animals not to be exploited by humans. Both valid.

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        5. Andrew Gripp‏ @AndrewGripp 16 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Perhaps. Of the 3, I'd say live & die free in the wild. I do think some animals have rights, though I think of myself as a consequentialist.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 16 Jun 2017
          Replying to @AndrewGripp

          Take the blood off our hands and put it on nature's. Suffering & death won't reduce but we will not be responsible for the latter.

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        7. Andrew Gripp‏ @AndrewGripp 16 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          We'd return to the status quo ante, pre domestication. Pigs would be in the same situation as badgers. I like our arrangement w/ badgers.

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