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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Ben‏ @BristolBen 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @IanDunt

      Words matter too. As a leader, his word should be exemplary. Pondering on whether gay sex is a sin is not on for a LibDem. 😠

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @BristolBen

      I wouldn't be happy with banning religious ppl from the Libdems if they commit to ensuring their beliefs aren't privileged.

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    3. Ben‏ @BristolBen 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Nobody is proposing to ban the religious. It's about support on the issues. Either you do or you don't support, religious or not.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @BristolBen

      Religious ppl who believe what their religion says, if you prefer. Don't require thought policing. Policies matter.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BristolBen

      If someone says ' my personal beliefs say this but my liberalism requires me to subordinate those to liberalism & I will' - fine

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Ben‏ @BristolBen 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      If he says that his personal beliefs are that homosexuality is a sin, that is a problem. Whatever his voting record.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @BristolBen

      Why? Why can't ppl believe their own thing but support liberal policies? Why do we all have to have the same beliefs too?

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    8. Ben‏ @BristolBen 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      We disagree on what "support" implies. Me: Saying that gay sex is a sin is being *unsupportive* of gays. That is why it's a problem.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @BristolBen

      But do you hear me saying he has no intention of saying that? That he tried very hard not to say that?

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BristolBen

      Problem seems to be that he *thought* that inside his own head where it harms no-one but ppl felt they had right to force him

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Jun 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BristolBen

      to say what Christianity says about it. He probably also thinks sex before marriage & pride is a sin.

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        2. Ben‏ @BristolBen 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Yes. I'm not saying he's a bad guy and perhaps it was unfortunate (although entirely predictable) that he be put in that situation.

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        3. Ben‏ @BristolBen 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @BristolBen @HPluckrose

          But once his views became public, I just don't see how he could represent the LibDems.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @BristolBen

          This is when we oppose the concept of thought crime & remind ppl liberalism is abt not forcing views on others.

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        5. Ben‏ @BristolBen 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Nobody is forcing views on Tim Farron. Having a problem with gays is not a crime. It just isn't LibDem either.

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        6. Ben‏ @BristolBen 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @BristolBen @HPluckrose

          The whole point of a party is to be selective about views. If you're not a close enough fit, there are other parties!

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @BristolBen

          I'd like to think libdems a place for ppl with a variety of personal beliefs who all commit to subordinating them to liberalism

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @BristolBen

          Taking the name of the lord in vain & feeling list, envy or anger. Weird but what matters is what he says & does as politician.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Ben‏ @BristolBen 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Yes. What he says. That was the issue. He said gays were sinners (or an embarrassing evasion of that)

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @BristolBen

          He didnt. He said being gay was not a sin but hesitated when asked if gay sex was before finally saying it wasn't.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @BristolBen

          He did try to explain that we all commit sin & its nobody's place to judge anyone else. Unsatisfactory ethically.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Jun 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @BristolBen

          But the attitude we expect from a Libdem.

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