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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jun 2017

    Arghh! Yet another Christian arguing (correctly) that ppl have subjective views on morality but asserting (incorrectly) that hers isn't one.

    3:29 PM - 13 Jun 2017
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    5 replies 2 retweets 26 likes
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        'Humanists differ so it's all relative & subjective & worthless.' And Christians don't, of course. Just one denomination all in agreement.

        1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It doesn't matter how much you really, really, really, really think your moral premise is the right one. It doesn't become objectively true.

        2 replies 4 retweets 11 likes
      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        People making this argument exempt themselves from having picked or conformed to one of many value systems. Everyone else has done that tho

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        'Look' they say 'All these different systems of belief & values. Humans picking different values. Not me tho. Mine is objectively true.'

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        "Don't you want to be objectively right like me by being Protestant/Catholic/Sunni/Shia/Jehovah's Witness/Mormon. Get rid of subjectivity!"

        4 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Have updated this. I still hold out a naive hope of getting ppl arguing like this to see that they're on the same ground as everyone else.pic.twitter.com/WohGgMnOL7

        3 replies 6 retweets 20 likes
      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        You can't say 'I think my morality is objective coz I believe God dictated it. Therefore every other idea is subjective & inferior & I win'

        4 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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      2. FanofNUFC‏ @AustraliaToon1 13 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @TonyJHopkinson

        It's easier to understand their position than where an stheist claims the same.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Tony Hopkinson‏ @TonyJHopkinson 14 Jun 2017
        Replying to @AustraliaToon1 @HPluckrose

        The objective morality boys? I trample on all comers, its the moral thing to do 😇

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. FanofNUFC‏ @AustraliaToon1 14 Jun 2017
        Replying to @TonyJHopkinson @HPluckrose

        Lots of atheists go down that rabbit hole as they think wrongly the theist's argument holds weight.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Tony Hopkinson‏ @TonyJHopkinson 14 Jun 2017
        Replying to @AustraliaToon1 @HPluckrose

        Cognitive dissonance isn't limited to the theistically inclined. 😢

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      6. End of conversation
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      2. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 13 Jun 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Yeah, if ethics are subjective, invoking a God doesn't change that; it just makes ethics subjective to God instead of or along with us.

        1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
      3. Gideon Moss‏ @egonotis 13 Jun 2017
        Replying to @Intrinsic29 @HPluckrose

        Whatever people say, everyone believes in a hierarchy of value systems, you have to just to function. Unless you are a nihilist.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 13 Jun 2017
        Replying to @egonotis @HPluckrose

        Kevin Retweeted Kevin

        Yeah, I don't disagree, though I do think some frameworks are better than others, objectively.https://twitter.com/Intrinsic29/status/874762646968336384 …

        Kevin added,

        Kevin @Intrinsic29
        Values are ultimately subjective to agents but whether or not and to what degree those values are optimized are objective questions.
        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Gideon Moss‏ @egonotis 13 Jun 2017
        Replying to @Intrinsic29 @HPluckrose

        What does it mean for a value to be optimised? Do you mean in terms of utility?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 13 Jun 2017
        Replying to @egonotis @HPluckrose

        Basically satisfied, but with complex values, a term like optimize is better because one can satisfy 1 value at the expense of many others.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 13 Jun 2017
        Replying to @Intrinsic29 @HPluckrose

        For instance, if I get angry at a video game, breaking my controller would satisfy some of my values but not optimally.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Gideon Moss‏ @egonotis 13 Jun 2017
        Replying to @Intrinsic29 @HPluckrose

        How is the notion of a value in that sense any different from a desire or drive?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 13 Jun 2017
        Replying to @egonotis @HPluckrose

        It's not. Did I seem to imply that it was?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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