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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
      Replying to @fronxer

      You have to know what they're based on to call it cultural relativity. You need to know its based on cultural values.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

      If you don't know if someone threw a gay man off a building coz his values are homophobic or coz the man was trying to kill him...

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

      ...then you have to reserve judgement on the ethics. If turns out to be the former, liberal values must condemn it despite culture.

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    4. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 30 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I find it hard to think abt the "despite culture" part, bc it's such a broad placeholder. It's be much easier to look at concrete cultures.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
      Replying to @fronxer

      You can just think all ppl deserve human rights, equal rights & freedoms &this not vary by deference to cultural norms which differ

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    6. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 30 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      If I am an expert in 2 sets of cultural norms, I shld be able to determine the morality of actions in both. If not, then I can't.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
      Replying to @fronxer

      Why? Why do you have to be an expert in Saudi culture to decide whether Saudi women shld have the same rights & freedoms as men?

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

      To think this is to be culturally relative. It could be OK to deny women equality if those women are Saudi, not if western.

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    9. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 30 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      And, more specifically, it would be the most trivial application of 'cultural relativity'. ("Everything I don't know much about is fine")

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
      Replying to @fronxer

      I don't know what you mean abt knowledge. I'm not talking abt ppl not addressing problems coz they don't know they exist. 1/2

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

      Talking abt them having a principle that they shouldn't be challenged because we shld respect other cultures moral values.

      4:09 PM - 30 May 2017
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        2. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 30 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Let's find a better word for that attitude… 'other-cultural affirmative'? Because there are no ethics involved in such blanket statements.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
          Replying to @fronxer

          Huh?

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        4. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 30 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          "Everything outside of my culture is good" If everything is 'good', you don't need ethics.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
          Replying to @fronxer

          That's why I say moral relativism doesn't really have any. All cultural norms are equally good.

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        6. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 30 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Well… that's how you defined it! So of course it has that property.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
          Replying to @fronxer

          Well, I am talking about what I am talking about. If you're talking abt another meaning, I cld well agree with you.

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        8. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 30 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Yes. So I think I understand now that you are saying that 'moral relativity' is a misnomer, based on how it is commonly expressed.

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
          Replying to @fronxer

          I'm not really saying that. I'm just using it to describe the belief that we should consider all cultural values equally ethical

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