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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 30 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      No, that's not what I'm talking about. Apparently I keep failing to explain myself.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
      Replying to @fronxer

      Yes, sorry, I don't understand. Can you give an example of when killing LGBTs wld be morally right by liberal principles?

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    3. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 30 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      It would have to be in a society where LGBT people exist, are dominant, and are endangering the lives of non-LGBT people.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
      Replying to @fronxer

      But that would hold true in whatever culture that happened. The morality would be consistent.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

      Not talking situational ethics - it's wrong to kill someone for their car but not to stop them killing you - but cultural values.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

      Cultural values cld be 'women shouldn't go out.' Can condemn this. Situational ones cld be 'women under house arrest shldnt go out'

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    7. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 30 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Ok, so… to translate that into my 'context' world: you're saying there are nested contexts. A hierarchy of contexts. Yes?

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
      Replying to @fronxer

      I'm fairly sure that's not what I'm saying coz I don't know what it means.

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    9. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 30 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Haha! Translating abstract concepts is challenging 😂

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
      Replying to @fronxer

      What I was saying was that principles like 'women shld have equal rights' shld be universal. Situations can change it but this ...

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

      ...would also need 2 b consistent across cultures.When asking 'which women shldnt have equal rights' answer can't be 'Muslim ones'

      3:46 PM - 30 May 2017
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

          It could be 'women who commit violent crime shld lose their right to freedom for a while' but this wild need to apply to men too

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

          and in all cultures if our ethics on this are consistent. If they vary from culture to culture, this is cultural moral relativity.

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        4. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 30 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Are you able to say that without relying on assumed-universal meanings of 'man' and 'woman'? 🤔

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
          Replying to @fronxer

          What do you mean? If you support equality for all ppl, you don't need to worry abt definitions of gender.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

          That would only become an issue if you felt one gender should have more rights than all the others or similar.

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        2. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 30 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Right. Sure. That answer would be hard to defend.

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        3. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 30 May 2017
          Replying to @fronxer @HPluckrose

          (The reason why I replied initially is that you were saying/implying that moral relativity is pretty similar to no morals at all.)

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
          Replying to @fronxer

          I am saying that in the sense that one cannot claim to stand for LGBT rights if one only does so for white westerners.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

          If that disappears in relation to Pakistani or Ugandan LGBTs & u say 'Its their culture to oppose LGBT rights & we shld respect it'

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

          Then your ethics are culturally relative & the principle 'stand for LGBT equality' doesn't really exist.

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        7. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 30 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          No, what it means is that that person is a lazy fuck and makes moral decisions based on literally no knowledge at all

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
          Replying to @fronxer

          Not so much a lack of knowledge but a fear of imposing western values on non-western cultures & that this is a kind of colonialism.

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

          Well-intentioned but in practice leads to failing to support the liberals of that society coz no consistency.

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