Pushing anyone to say or not say anything, to have or not have abortions is not liberal. No-one is pushed by other ppl having same choice.
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The terms liberal & conservative have come to mean many contradictory things. For many they are tribal labels, not coherent sets of ideas.
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So it’s important to define your terms (and continually remind folks when they try to cast you as saying something you’re not).
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This is what I keep doing by discussing liberalism so much.
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Yes. This was my main point. In some way we can't avoid it.
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This gets worse when "liberal" is combined with "secular" and/or "humanist". Coz we are rarely one label. Which is what many ppl confuse
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these, I think. But it is understandable.
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