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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 May 2017

      It shouldn't make sense to say that liberals want to impose their values on everyone else. If it does, liberals are liberaling wrong.

      7 replies 22 retweets 44 likes
    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Usually when someone accuses me of wanting to push liberal views on them, they mean I want to stop them imposing conservative ones on others

      3 replies 3 retweets 7 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Coz my liberal perspective leads me to defend the rights of conservatives to express & live according to very conservative views.

      2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      If I were to genuinely try to impose my views on others, conservativism & religion & large sections of social justice activism wld be banned

      3 replies 2 retweets 11 likes
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      That would be illiberal. Ppl calling themselves liberal but not applying this principle to their own values seem very confused to me.

      2 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
    6. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 29 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I remember a conversation we had once. We can push our liberal values in some way. It's a bit of a paradox. Think speech, abortion etc.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 May 2017
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1

      Pushing anyone to say or not say anything, to have or not have abortions is not liberal. No-one is pushed by other ppl having same choice.

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    8. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 29 May 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      True. But we base laws on them. Example: man is conservative, woman liberal. Woman wishes not to keep baby. Man does. Law agrees with her

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 29 May 2017
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @HPluckrose

      Free speech: person is to endure what is said to him/her I agree with these things. Yet, I can see how this can feel like it's pushed on ppl

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    10. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 29 May 2017
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @HPluckrose

      Though I think we think of liberal more as the ppl representing the label, than label representing the ppl. If that makes sense.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 May 2017
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1

      Yes, we do. That's essentially what I'm addressing. If liberal values are being imposed on you, liberals have become illiberal.

      5:52 AM - 29 May 2017
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        2. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 29 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Yes. Don't get me wrong. I agree with your point. Considering the no of ppl claiming the label, yet reject the core values.

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        3. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 29 May 2017
          Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @HPluckrose

          I've just been thinking that no -ism can really escape pushing their values on others in some way.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 May 2017
          Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1

          Only in the sense that people have to see others living according to them if they engage with society.

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        5. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 29 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Yes. The more they interact, the more this will happen. If you're not a liberal, you don't agree with these values. Yet you must accept

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 May 2017
          Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1

          But this burden is also on liberals who have to see conservative views all over the place. 5 churches in my town. Billboards & notices.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @TamaraBrouwer1

          In a liberal society, everybody is pushing their views on each other in this sense but alternative is one view imposed on everyone.

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        2. Ben‏ @BristolBen 29 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @TamaraBrouwer1

          It depends what values. I'm perfectly fine with imposing tolerance. More generally, human rights.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 May 2017
          Replying to @BristolBen @TamaraBrouwer1

          They can't impact other people, no. This is not an imposition but preventing ppl from imposing on others.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 May 2017
          Replying to @DurinnMcFurren @BristolBen @TamaraBrouwer1

          And they do.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 May 2017
          Replying to @DurinnMcFurren @BristolBen @TamaraBrouwer1

          I think so. I don't see any disagreement anywhere but people seem to think they disagree with me so I may have phrased things badly.

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