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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 28 May 2017

      Some ppl claim morality derives from evolution. That being the case, how do you rationalise the difference between e.g. ISIS and the USA?

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    2. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 28 May 2017
      Replying to @christianjbdev

      I'm sure many of our basic moral feelings are put there in place by evolution, e.g. disgust and empathy.

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    3. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 28 May 2017
      Replying to @christianjbdev

      Evolution can explain the similarities in moral behaviour between societies, but can it explain the differences? And the diffs are big.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 28 May 2017
      Replying to @christianjbdev

      Well, no. That's how we know what is cultural.

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        2. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 28 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          And it's a particular kind of culture. The part that comes from reason.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 28 May 2017
          Replying to @christianjbdev

          Not sure what you mean. We apply reasoning to different premises & they vary by cultural customs and narratives.

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        4. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 28 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Well, part of culture is just fashion essentially. Different customs and so on. But another part is knowledge.

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        5. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 28 May 2017
          Replying to @christianjbdev @HPluckrose

          Things we've discovered through reason and experiment. And it's this part of culture which allows us to make moral progress.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 28 May 2017
          Replying to @christianjbdev

          That would be ideal, yes, but that only drives culture if respect for reason and experiment does.

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        7. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 28 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Well exactly, and you can see the moral difference in cultures which value reason over those that don't.

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 28 May 2017
          Replying to @christianjbdev

          Ah, that's what you meant. Yes, that does make a big difference. But there's always only so much culture you can build around knowing things

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        9. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 28 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Much of our culture is built around knowing things! That's what makes it good.

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 28 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

          Really interesting experiment done with the African Tiv telling them the story of Hamlet & asking for moral analysis.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 28 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

          An anthropologist did it first & concluded morality to be socially constructed coz differences. Then an evo psych went over it.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 28 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

          Showed that basic moral emotions the same - duty, loyalty, justice, honour, bravery etc. Differences were in how these shld be carried out.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 28 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

          eg Christian society torn on wanting Hamlet to kill his uncle but troubled that he planned to do it before he'd had time to pray & repent.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 28 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

          Tiv felt uncle needed to be killed but not by Hamlet coz killing older male family member dishonourable. Someone else's job.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 28 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

          But both understood the need to punish him & felt sympathy for Hamlet mixed with impatience at his inconsistency. Not a good leader.

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        8. Shaun The Sheeple‏ @wade_david123 28 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

          'Hamlet - not a good leader'.

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 28 May 2017
          Replying to @wade_david123 @christianjbdev

          Yep, pretty much!

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        2. M_Methuselah‏ @M_Methuselah 28 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

          I'd argue that this premise is faulty. The evolutionary origin of moral systems cannot be refuted by observing that they come in many forms.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 28 May 2017
          Replying to @M_Methuselah @christianjbdev

          That's what I'm saying. Don't think Christian disagrees either.

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        4. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 28 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @M_Methuselah

          wanna bet?

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 28 May 2017
          Replying to @christianjbdev @M_Methuselah

          Oh god! I thought you did say that the moral intuitions were evolved but then built on differently.pic.twitter.com/sx04VXlk2n

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        6. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 28 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @M_Methuselah

          Well, our basic moral intuitions are from evolution. But I don't think they're sufficient to explain morality itself.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 28 May 2017
          Replying to @christianjbdev @M_Methuselah

          Having evolved core moral intuitions & then built on them in accordance with how we understood the world isn't enough?

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        8. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev 28 May 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @M_Methuselah

          No, cos it doesn't explain why ISIS is any worse than e.g. Switzerland when both people have the same biological moral equipment.

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 28 May 2017
          Replying to @christianjbdev @M_Methuselah

          Well, that will be the culture bit. Not killing people horribly for not sharing your values is quite a new development.

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