Eg, if I say that I like clothes that make me feel feminine, it does not matter much if you don't know what I mean. You probably will though
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If I say women *should* wear feminine clothes, I shld then be expected to both justify this & define both 'women' & 'feminine.'
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Two of my friends are attracted to what they call 'feminine' men, the rest to what they call 'masculine' men. We know what each other mean.
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We could still disagree on specifics. "He seems a bit feminine to me." Really?! I don't think so." That's fine too.
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I shld be able to use gender terms - masculine, feminine - as descriptors w/out being required to plot my meaning on a graph or bell curve.
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(Yes, I have been asked to do that.) I'd say that if you don't understand what is meant by the terms or differ, it doesn't matter.
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What matters is when 'gender' is used as the basis for some kind of rule or requirement & not as a subjective concept its OK to differ about
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When discussing gender for political or legal reasons, you do need to define exactly what you're talking about. Get a motte & bailey thing.
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Where someone says 'It's just social constructs like pink for girls & blue for boys' then 10 mins later including psychological differences.
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My point is that whilst I understand ppl's frustration with the nebulous concept of gender, lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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It's not always biological sex we want to talk about. Sometimes it is personal & cultural concepts of masculinity & femininity.
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And I completely agree that it's essential not to confuse the two & that people do this a lot for ideological reasons & it's a problem.
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The author distinguishes between biology & feelings & I agree that's important but point out that both are vitally important to humans.
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Sometimes we want to discuss pure biological realities & sometimes feelings & perceptions.that we biological organisms really experience.
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And yes, the fact that I research how people have understood femininity & womanhood & gender roles historically does underlie this.
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Female biological characteristics haven't changed since 1300 but concepts of womanhood & femininity & gender roles have repeatedly.
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Many consistencies remain & evo psych best tool for understanding this but it's the cultural & historical differences that interest me.
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That interest me more. I argued for the importance of using evo psych so we can better tell what is historically & culturally contingent.
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Here: https://areomagazine.com/2017/01/19/evolutionary-psychology-in-the-humanities-shakespeares-othello/ … I'm primarily interested in the different ways humans have made sense of things, particularly sex & gender.
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Aren't u describing attraction as in X is a "women's man" or a "man's man" from the perspective of another, rather than X's view of self?
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Sometimes I'm describing my own sense of gender, someone my perceptions of someone elses.
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I find myself confused about gender politics-not wishing to hurt feelings genuinely held-but totally gobsmacked by the non-science of it all
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In the politics, yes, but I suspect you'd understand a sentence like 'She is a particularly feminine woman.'
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This doesn't mean that she is any more biologically female than most women but that she presents herself in a way we understand as feminine.
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