I don't want to join things or be part of a community. Not a lack of loyalty/commitment. I'd just rather be loyal/committed to individuals
Yes, they do but how does this relate to group loyalty? Big government/welfare etc is an expansive thing which seeks to protect everyone
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...giving it to another. It also means things like setting minimum wages which prevents individuals making their own contracts.
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Yes but where does the group loyalty come in?
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Big government does not protect all. Big government favours some groups (farmers, pensioners) at expense of others (middle aged workers)
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Yes it does but the idea is to protect the most vulnerable, not to protect your own group.
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Yes. There are clear cases of most vulnerable but welfare state is far more extensive.
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Well, I can't be bothered to argue about this. My point was that group loyalty is by no means a lefty thing & more associated w conservatism
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Well welfare means society trying to looking good after individuals in difficulty. But also means forcibly taking money from one group and..
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This is where liberals & conservatives differ in their sense of fairness but liberals are often middle-class & not seeking their own benefit
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