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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017

      I think I need to write a short thing addressing idea that people who spend much time criticising their own grp secretly support other side.

      5 replies 3 retweets 12 likes
    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      There's a fundamental flaw here & I think it comes down to two different ways of approaching the same problem with the same goals.

      1 reply 2 retweets 5 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      People who aim all animus at the other side & rationalise away failings on their own are trying to weaken opposition & strengthen selves.

      1 reply 2 retweets 6 likes
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      People who focus more on the weaknesses in their own group & assume the problems of the other side are evident have the same aim.

      1 reply 2 retweets 5 likes
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      But a different approach. They want to weaken the appeal of the 'other side' by making their own side more worthy of respect & support.

      1 reply 2 retweets 6 likes
    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      It's the difference between 'show them to be bad' and 'show ourselves to be good' as primary objective.

      2 replies 2 retweets 5 likes
    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I admit to being in the latter category & not unbiased in weighing up these two approaches.

      1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      A day or two ago, I saw someone say to Matt Dillahunty (I think) that if he saw someone punching a Nazi, he wouldn't criticise them for it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Because he wouldn't want to be thought sympathetic to the Nazi & the people whose rights you champion is revealing of your aims.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017

      I have no intention of discussing the ethics of Nazi-punching any further. The arguments have all been made & if still not getting it...

      4:07 AM - 20 Apr 2017
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          But the thinking & motivations which underlie the conflict on this & so many other similar examples is particularly interesting.

          1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          A fatal disconnect. I cldn't have disagreed more with that person coz I think strengthening your own position is the most important thing.

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Not in an 'insisting of absolute ideological purity' way but in addressing where reasonable, ethical people's confidence in you cld be lost.

          2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I don't think it's enough to show the other side to be bad (especially if you're doing so dishonestly).Need to show your own side to be good

          2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          This might be due to my allegedly naive perception that most people want to be reasonable & ethical & to support what seems fair & right.

          1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I think nearly everyone already knows that Nazism & fascism are morally wrong and most people know that sexism, racism & homophobia etc are

          1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Therefore, more important to talk about best ways to tackle these than keep saying they are wrong (especially if you use the terms lightly)

          0 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
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